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Post by happypacker on Jun 10, 2016 9:45:48 GMT -5
Wow, i never thought either one would get the nomination,although i do realize that Clinton is being pushed very hard to be the first woman President of the U.S.A. I feel she will win it. I am not liking it, Nor am I liking the other choice, but I have seen what Hillary can do when in the Government, and i really dislike the way she cannot handle anything well pressure is too much for her and she is a slow thinker , I think this country is going to be in big trouble these next 4 years, Just hope we do not get invaded or forced into a big war.
What do all of you feel about this November?
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Post by TW on Jun 10, 2016 14:09:55 GMT -5
The lesser of two evils? That would go to Clinton, if for no other reason than Bill Clinton would be an advisor. I don't like a Trump country that would do so much to alienate the majority of the world. His caustic, and rude statements aren't the way people learn to live with each other. It creates divides, and in this world, that's not acceptable.
I wonder who Clinton will root out to be VP? I also wonder who Trump will choose? If Trump chooses a "party favorite," it will do him good, because he has by and large lost the real conservative voters. But, since they are so strongly convinced that they can do no wrong on that side of the track, they'll blindly follow Trump through the whole damned thing. Even the Koch Bros. have backed off, not picking a side on the Presidential level. They fear both people equally.
Was Trump the best pick for the Republicans? It isn't a Republican pick. It's a red-neck USA, gun toting, homophobic, and closet racist movement that puts him over the top. Why anyone on the right supports him mystifies me. They've sunk pretty low.
I still am not convinced Clinton was a good choice. I get the feeling her selection was made more as a "party line," "anti-Trump" choice instead of someone whose political views represented mainstream America. If you study Sanders' platform of the future of America, he doesn't once indicate it's a communist type approach. It's truly the scope of what a true democratically run capitalist system would be, yet he's being lied about by both sides. I guess telling the "real truth" doesn't matter. He is out of it, and we'll never know how it could have been.
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Post by happypacker on Jun 15, 2016 6:33:19 GMT -5
Sanders would do to much to help bring back the waning middle class . He wants all people a even shot at working and earning a "living wage"
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Post by TW on Jun 16, 2016 1:10:16 GMT -5
Sanders would be better than the other two but that's history. It's going to be Hillary I believe, and hope. A Trump term in the White House would do more to ruin our foreigh relations than the entire 8 years of Bush did.
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Post by happypacker on Jun 16, 2016 6:20:03 GMT -5
what kinda makes me laugh, is Does trump really think building a big wall would stop them from crossing over? I mean they have tunnels now that the USA does not know about. Plus, if they had a wall, how long before they find better ways to breach it anyway? I fear Trump or Hillary will be giving the USA the next 4 years a huge dose of trouble. I think the attacks will be more at home if Clinton wins,and If Trump wins we will have trouble by losing more countries to battle on our side. either one , we will experience a very tough next 3-4 years.(possible assignation here)
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Post by TW on Jun 16, 2016 8:33:12 GMT -5
I'm going to sit back by the pool and have a couple of drinks, and let the whole thing happen as it will. When I hear people making comments that spurs terrorist groups on, and gives them recruiting footage, I just shake my head and wonder how come we have so damned many morons in politics, and electing them. I see Trump, who is a racist, a bigot, and totally lacks any semblance of character, poised to run as the nominee from one of our two political parties. When I see this, I wonder what happened to society? When did we turn the corner to being "the New South Africa" from the past?
It makes me sad, but I think we've asked for this. Now we're getting it.
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Post by happypacker on Jun 16, 2016 18:09:40 GMT -5
you are sooooo right about the evolution of todays society. TV and big rich companies have brainwashed the working majority to being ripped off and taken advantage of by lies for year, the difference is now they have just gone so far that the affects will also harm them and the downfall of this country and many others. everyone wants to let the other person do the right thing, all while being enabling people.
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Post by TW on Jun 16, 2016 18:25:43 GMT -5
Another thing that's disturbing is all those who think strapping a gun on their waist makes them a "man." I remember those days. I was in Viet Nam. First tour. I was recon. I was at our fire base when a bunch of new guys came in. They were all chomping at the bit to "get them some of them slopes." They were going to single handedly wipe out the VC and NV army. Hell! Us "old timers," I had just turned 20, were doing it wrong.
On the second night they were there, we came under attack. Sappers trying to breach our position, destroy our defenses, and over run us because they had at least a 4 to 1 advantage on us.
We hit our spots on the perimeter, and had a ferocious fire fight. It lasted until dawn. The smell of cordite in the air was so strong you couldn't smell anything else. As a Sergeant, I had to move along the perimeter and check the guys in my area. Every one of the new guys had either peed or crapped their pants during the fight. Not one of them had even peeked over the top of the sand bags they were positioned by. They just sat there, scared as hell, wetting themselves, and emptying their weapons in the air.
Such is the state of people who say how "brave they are." They aren't. Heroes aren't there because they start out intending to be heroes. They're heroes because they reacted in a specific way at a specific place, and at a specific time. Like one guy, with two silver stars told me. "I was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and had no choice but to do what I did." He was embarrassed by the attention he was getting for doing the job.
This is the new America. One blowhard after another telling us how tough they are, and how they're leaders. People who are clueless, following them like sheep to a slaughter. They allow anti-Semitism, racism, and bigotry to rule, and say that when someone is offended by it, they're too "sensitive."
Therefore, I'm turning the keys to the future over to younger people hoping they have enough common sense to create a land where each person is important, and deserves to be treated with dignity and respect. If they don't make these sacrifices, and create a land of equality, I pity them, because the time is coming when the minorities will be the majority, and those Caucasians who created these problems are going to cause their own children to be treated as poorly as they treated minorities.
Ironic, isn't it?
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Post by nick20 on Jul 3, 2016 23:01:01 GMT -5
its Clinton, by default. At least with her, we'll keep the gains that Obama has managed to put in place, despite 8 years of seditious conduct by the Republicans, who, imo, have ceased being a legitimate political party that you can trust with power. One need only look at Wisconsin, and what Walker's done with it, to see this. Trump has no political experience whatsoever, and one need only look at his history, his multiple bankruptcies, his connections with the mob, and the fact that he managed to fail at running a sport that is without peer in this country in popularity ( The United States Football League) to see he would be an absolutely woeful president,. Just because you might be good at business (and Trump cant even be considered a good businessman, a good businessperson doesn't go through multiple bankruptcies) doesn't mean you'd be good at running a country. The US is the world;s most reliable debt holder, folks buy Treasuries, because they know the US always pays its debts. Any question of the US not paying its debts, as in 2013, is treated very negatively by the world markets, that shutdown cost us 24B dollars needlessly. It is actually against the Constitution for the US to not pay its debt, the 14th Amendment holds that the full faith and credit of the US is not to be questioned. the idea that US debt can be negotiated, as is done in businesses going through bankruptcy, is folly. the government doesnt work that way, never has, never will.
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Post by happypacker on Jul 5, 2016 12:23:48 GMT -5
I am not happy with her using the unguarded system to talk about vital U>S> information and for sure when she was in two countries that could and for the most part by FBI says they more than likely had hacked her messages, no wonder they fighter jets look so much like ours!(China) I think she is very much a lying person who holds back things, at least trump speaks and we all know what crazy things he is then thinking. Plus if he makes it in, I hope he picks a good Vise president, cause Trump will not survive his term I think.
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Post by TW on Jul 5, 2016 13:10:08 GMT -5
The problem with Trump is that he says anything he wants, and the vast majority of what he says has been proven to be lies. His entire campaign has been directed towards radicalization of a certain demographic of Americans whom he feels will blindly follow anyone who speaks louder, and quite honestly "nasty" towards anyone who disagrees with them. I have actually abandoned several of my own friends, not because they're Republicans, but because they've proven to be loyal Trump groupies who think the Nazi and Fascist comments he makes are the way things should be. Some of these people needed to live with Hitler and Mussolini. It would have changed their views dramatically.
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Post by happypacker on Jul 6, 2016 9:32:11 GMT -5
[towards radicalization of a certain demographic of Americans whom he feels will blindly follow anyone who speaks louder, and quite honestly "nasty" towards anyone who disagrees with them. , but because they've proven to be loyal Trump groupies who think the Nazi and Fascist comments he makes are the way things should be. THIS concerns me more than almost anything else. I for the most part believe that what you posted is true and that this country is in the MAJORITY in that belief. meaning Trump may win(if the election is on the level)People like you and me are in the minority now, no longer part of the wholesome honest moral loyal Americans. Work hard for a living? not anymore,( Mexicans labor Or central American labor is so heavy because many less educated Americans will not do the work, they are ABOVE that) help your fellow American out in teaching them your job or just to be a better person? not anymore.
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Post by TW on Jul 6, 2016 11:23:48 GMT -5
With the unemployment rate in Wisconsin, one major ag business needed people to work in their canning operations from May through October. Their rate of pay was over $15 an hour for most jobs. Yes, they are temporary jobs, but they are six months long, and they would be eligible for full unemployment benefits as seasonal workers, as implied under Federal and Wisconsin law.
They had zero applicants in Wisconsin. They ended up holding job fairs down in McAllen, TX, where they filled their entire employee list.
Meanwhile, up here in Wisconsin, the hard right wingers (many of which had turned down these jobs) screaming how this company was importing "illegal workers" because they didn't want to hire locals who would make more money.
The interesting part of this whole thing is that the jobs in question are paying "over" the average wages paid in that entire area, so the wage scale is above standard, so these morons just plain don't want to work, and are trying to ride the coat tails of bigotry and hate to get their own way, when they probably should be cut off welfare for refusing to take a job that paid above average wages.
In Trump, support for these morons will be there from day one. His whole platform is based on radical opinions, not facts. His entire base of true supporters are people who would be more than willing to throw a sheet over their bodies and put on a pointy hat, and have KKK emblazoned on their chest.
I will not support these people, and I will not support any politician or ideology that does so either. It's time for the Republican Party to stand up and take their party back, or abandon it to these people and start a new one.
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Post by happypacker on Jul 6, 2016 15:28:46 GMT -5
The idea of a welfare was to help people get back to work and to support themselves, not to not want to work and live off of welfare. I remember well when they made changes to the welfare that allowed people to collect without even trying to get a job.
I still say the money would work well if the first rule was YOU HAD TO BE WORKING FOR A YEWAR AT ANY PAY and then sign up to allow them to receive enough money so as they could live in a modest apt.home etc, and pay the bills without wasting them( I have seen the poor so often have all the windows and doors open in mid winter with all the lights on in the place they did not care they got money to burn instead of what they need to live safely. the food cards they have now, allow them to buy things that are a luxury not a necessity. they are not closely watched, I found in a house that was zoned and permitted for two family dwelling the two people who lived on the first floor included the people from the second floor and got a very big amount of money to enjoy to eat and waste they got caught when I called them in.
Trump I think watches the news and reacts to the things he wants to agure about and play the other side. he never thinks before he acts. at least not so far as I have seen.
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Post by TW on Jul 6, 2016 17:25:27 GMT -5
The point I'm emphasizing is that despite what people believe, those who get forms of welfare are in fact mainstream supporters of Trump. I'm talking about the so called middle class that says that the Dems have cost them their jobs, and they won't stoop low enough to work for a living.
I'm also talking about farmers who survive due to subsidies for their products. This too is welfare, but they don't think so. Someone else gets welfare, they think.
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