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Post by TMWight on Nov 7, 2009 8:58:59 GMT -5
You may have religious beliefs regarding your views on gay marriage or you may have personal beliefs, but what is your view on it?
Personally I support gay marriage and it's solely based on my own beliefs. I think marriage shouldn't be based on religion, take the church out of state.
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Post by packerconvert on Nov 7, 2009 9:04:53 GMT -5
My view on marriage is not based on religion, but based on the perpetuation of the species.
The only purpose of marriage is to pro-create and provide a stable home for the off-spring.
Since gay people can't pro-create, I really can't support gay marraige at this time.
Maybe little liberal scientist can manipulate the human species and screw with mother nature down the road, but until that time, I can't support gay marriage based on my belief.
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Post by TW on Nov 7, 2009 9:05:32 GMT -5
Marriage itself is a union that comes from religion. Why would you think you can remove it from religious beliefs?
I don't want to allow marriage of gays. I don't mind if they want to have a "civil union," without the blessings of the churches, but don't try to horn in on the religious aspect of a union because it will make them "feel better" about themselves.
It's simply a pyschological issue for them. Allow them all the privileges of married people through law, but not grace it with the sanctity of religion.
I think that's a pretty simple concept, but that's not what they want. They believe they can "force" religions to accept them by getting the term "marriage" for their unions. It ain't gonna happen.
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Post by packerconvert on Nov 7, 2009 9:12:17 GMT -5
TM comes fromt the generation that took education out of schools.
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Post by packerfanfran on Nov 7, 2009 9:33:16 GMT -5
I support gay marriage. At Sprint, where I am employed, there is a highly diversified base of employees, which I would say about 25% are gay. A lot of them are my very close friends. As far as procreating, there are such things as artificial insemination, invitro fertilization, surrogate or adoption. 2 of my close friends have adopted a family of 3 children who were abandoned by their crackhead, abusive heterosexual parents and are about to have a child of their own conceived by artificial insemination. This couple shows more love to each other and their children than I see in some of the heterosexual parents I know. To not allow them to get married is a shame. I believe you are born gay and no counseling, brain-washing or societal beliefs can make you change. To judge a person by their sexual orientation and not their character is not what God asks us to do. I don't mean to rant, but when I was 19, I went on a so called date and my date took me to a so called "party". I found out I was to be the "party" because as soon as I walked in the door there were 5 men waiting for me. A butcher knife was held to my throat and I was told to do what they wanted or else I would die. Fortunately for me, the first man to take his "turn" took me into the bedroom and told me he was not aware of what they had planned. He opened the window and helped me out and I ran for my life. He was beaten badly by the other men for letting me go. The other men did not know he was gay, but he told me and became a very good friend of mine. He has been with his partner for over 30 years and to tell him he is not allowed to get married is a disgrace. He is a hero and has better character than most men I know. I love you Jim.  Ok, now go ahead and bash me if you must.  |
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Post by townhalleditor on Nov 7, 2009 9:34:02 GMT -5
I think the gentlemen who refers to himsef as TW is correct. Civil Unions are best due to the religious connotations that surround marriage.
The reason gays and lesbians desire marriage rights is psychological, but it is also about liberty.
A committed, monogamous gay couple who wish to share their lives together do have the same rights as heterosexual couples who seek the same through marriage. Government really has no interest in civil unions other than to discriminate.
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Post by packerconvert on Nov 7, 2009 9:48:05 GMT -5
Gays are looking for special rights than typical Americans.
Many American's who aren't gay, can't get married to get breaks on insurance, taxes, etc. So why should gays have that right? Cause they have sex together? If so, then it is about sexual orientation.
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Post by packerfanfran on Nov 7, 2009 9:57:35 GMT -5
Gays are looking for special rights than typical Americans. Many American's who aren't gay, can't get married to get breaks on insurance, taxes, etc. So why should gays have that right? Cause they have sex together? If so, then it is about sexual orientation. So, PC when you say many "American's, does that mean that gay people aren't American? The American's you refer to do have that right and it's their fault if they do not take advantage of their rights. Gay people do not have that right. It is denied to them. I know of a few women who "marry" illegals just to keep them from being deported and then divorce them when they become American citizens and then get paid for marrying their illegal immigrant husbands. But that's ok because they are not gay. Seriously???  |
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Post by packerconvert on Nov 7, 2009 10:02:59 GMT -5
Whores who marry illegals for monetary gain should be punished to the highest extent of the law.
You missed my point. A heterosexual man can't marry another heterosexual man to gain the benefits of marriage.
So gays are asking for special rights to marry to attain those rights due to sexual orientation.
You asked that they be judged by character and I agree. BUT, if you wish to grant special rights based on sexual orientation, than you are asking special rights for sexual orientation and not for their character.
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Post by packerfanfran on Nov 7, 2009 10:16:35 GMT -5
And you are missing my point moron.  Just this week there was a married heterosexual couple in my area who gave their baby away to their babysitter who then proceeded to put the baby in a cedar box under her bed with baking powder to mask the smells that would result after the baby's death. Lucky for the baby, she was found by police before she died. This couple had reported their baby "missing". This same couple reported their stepson missing 10 years ago and he was never found. They were never charged with his disappearance. Our "laws" protect this couple and they must be good people because they are a heterosexual married couple. Duh  Our laws should be equal for everyone...not just people who society says are "normal". |
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Post by packerconvert on Nov 7, 2009 10:33:16 GMT -5
Sexual orientation has nothing to do with criminal activity.
The hetero couple didn't commit the crimes they did because of their hetero tendencies.
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Post by packerfanfran on Nov 7, 2009 10:45:30 GMT -5
Again my point...how many gay couples are in the news for abusing or murdering their children....give me some examples. Yet pedophiles, rapists, child abusers, wife beaters, etc are released from prison and allowed to marry and continue on with their lives. Our laws allow that. |
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Post by packerconvert on Nov 7, 2009 10:48:16 GMT -5
Gays have the right to marry the opposite sex just as the people you listed have that right.
Gays are asking for a special privilege to do something more.
And if you read your history, The Gay and Lesbian Coalition was part of the NAMBLA(North American Man-Bly Love Association) for years until they broke into the mainstream.
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Post by packerfanfran on Nov 7, 2009 10:53:22 GMT -5
Yes and my gay cousin married a woman to make his parents happy and has a partner on the side...but that's what society wants him to do to fit in. Deny his true feelings to fit in. |
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Post by packerconvert on Nov 7, 2009 10:54:25 GMT -5
So you agree then that the request for special rights is based on sexual orientation and not character.
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