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Post by TW on Jul 9, 2012 21:58:33 GMT -5
It is what it is, I'm afraid.
What's interesting is how many black people have the last name of Jefferson, and can actually claim to be related to the past President.
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Post by amoeba15 on Jul 10, 2012 9:28:50 GMT -5
Yeah, and Sally Heming's, the black slave that Thomas Jefferson slept with, children are accepted by everybody as being white. WRONG. All that you have to do is follow the paper trail. For instance, how much did Sally Hemings children benefit because Thomas Jefferson were their father? Not one cent. Yet, IF these children were white, we are talking about lots and lots and lots of money.  Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings: A Brief Account The claim that Thomas Jefferson fathered children with Sally Hemings, a slave at Monticello, entered the public arena during Jefferson's first term as president, and it has remained a subject of discussion and disagreement for two centuries. Based on documentary, scientific, statistical, and oral history evidence, the Thomas Jefferson Foundation (TJF) Research Committee Report on Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings (January 2000) remains the most comprehensive analysis of this historical topic. Ten years later, TJF and most historians believe that, years after his wife’s death, Thomas Jefferson was the father of the six children of Sally Hemings mentioned in Jefferson's records, including Beverly, Harriet, Madison, and Eston Hemings. DNA Evidence and ResponseThe results of DNA tests conducted by Dr. Eugene Foster and a team of geneticists in 1998 challenged the view that the Jefferson-Hemings relationship could be neither refuted nor substantiated . The study--which tested Y-chromosomal DNA samples from male-line descendants of Field Jefferson (Thomas Jefferson's uncle), John Carr (grandfather of Jefferson's Carr nephews), Eston Hemings, and Thomas Woodson--indicated a genetic link between the Jefferson and Hemings descendants. The results of the study established that an individual carrying the male Jefferson Y chromosome fathered Eston Hemings (born 1808), the last known child born to Sally Hemings. There were approximately 25 adult male Jeffersons who carried this chromosome living in Virginia at that time, and a few of them are known to have visited Monticello. The study's authors, however, said "the simplest and most probable" conclusion was that Thomas Jefferson had fathered Eston Hemings. www.monticello.org/site/plantation-and-slavery/thomas-jefferson-and-sally-hemings-brief-account |
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Post by TW on Jul 10, 2012 15:31:20 GMT -5
My wife knows one of the descendents. She worked with her, in Rockford. A well educated woman, and proud of her heritage, and connection to Jefferson and Hemings. She feels no shame, and considers herself neither black nor white, but a Jefferson, an American, and the descendent of one of America's early Presidents.
When she was young, and in school, she told a teacher in 5th grade that she was a Jefferson descendent. The teacher smiled at her, and said; "My dear, that can't be true. You're black, Jefferson was white!"
My wife's friend wondered if that woman lived long enough to realize she was wrong. My wife's friend did the DNA test, and was a match.
A few years ago, she attended a family gathering of Jefferson here in the Midwest. There were several black people there, including her family, and the whites who attended greeted them with open arms, as if they were long lost cousins.
It's time for others to open their arms too. It's been going on way too long! Hatred, racial mistrust, and racism has no place in the society of man.
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Post by amoeba15 on Jul 10, 2012 15:37:29 GMT -5
I agree.
BTW, I have lots of friends who went to UVA and they refuse to discuss TJ and Sally Hemings. Many of my friends from the South REFUSE to believe that TJ slept with any of his slaves, DESPITE DNA evidence that proves otherwise.
I honestly believe that PC would enjoy his conversation with most of my southern, misguided and still fighting the Civil War, friends.
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Post by packerconvert on Jul 10, 2012 16:15:13 GMT -5
I agree. BTW, I have lots of friends who went to UVA and they refuse to discuss TJ and Sally Hemings. Many of my friends from the South REFUSE to believe that TJ slept with any of his slaves, DESPITE DNA evidence that proves otherwise. I honestly believe that PC would enjoy his conversation with most of my southern, misguided and still fighting the Civil War, friends. No thanks. I can't stand stupid people and only tolerate them when they serve my political purposes. |
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Post by amoeba15 on Jul 11, 2012 12:49:27 GMT -5
Buuuuuutttttttt, based on PC's belief of Obama NOT BEING BLACK, WHY did the NAACP react this way. Romney booed by NAACP as he jabs Obama, health careThe presumptive GOP presidential nominee has an uphill battle with African Americans, who have voted Democrats into the White House for decades. In 2008, Obama won 96% of the African-American vote on his way to making history as the nation's first black president.content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/07/mitt-romney-naacp-speech-/1Imagine that..96% of the African-American vote. Also, making Obama the nation's first black president. How WE love when PC's Borg programming forces him to try to re-write history and to do so, by honestly believing what he is trying to have others believe.  |
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Post by TW on Jul 11, 2012 13:12:05 GMT -5
A point to ponder.
When 96% of a specific ethnic group votes strictly for a person of their own ethnic group, it's pretty difficult saying they aren't doing it based on race.
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Post by amoeba15 on Jul 11, 2012 14:08:51 GMT -5
A point to ponder. When 96% of a specific ethnic group votes strictly for a person of their own ethnic group, it's pretty difficult saying they aren't doing it based on race. PC, another way of looking at this 96% vote..Since you DO NOT consider Obama to be the first BLACK elected as US President and that the majority of blacks DO NOT consider Obama black..then Romney sure as Hades is not WHITE IF he DOES NOT receive at least 96% of the WHITE vote.  |
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Post by packerconvert on Jul 11, 2012 14:39:11 GMT -5
Dude. Way to distort. Of Course they are going to vote for Obama because he is more black than McCain or Romney. What Freeman and other blacks are saying is that Obama is not a black man per se. Yes, he has black blood in him but once a full blooded black person is elected President, it will be he or she that will be the first black President and that is how history will record it. And just to put things in simple terms for you so that you understand why black people are voting for Obama; a Reeses Peanut Butter Cup isn't a chocolate bar, but it does have more chocolate in it than a cup of cottage cheese. |
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Post by amoeba15 on Jul 11, 2012 15:16:47 GMT -5
"but once a full blooded black person is elected President"I hate to break it to ya, but only a very small percentage of people are "FULL BLOODED." In the words of Bill Murray from the movie Stripes, WE ARE ALL MUTTS. 
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Post by TW on Jul 11, 2012 15:19:39 GMT -5
I'm also reminded that if we believe in the teachings of religion, we are all descendents of two people in the beginning. That means there's at least a few threads of all races in each of us.
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Post by amoeba15 on Jul 11, 2012 15:22:25 GMT -5
I'm also reminded that if we believe in the teachings of religion, we are all descendents of two people in the beginning. That means there's at least a few threads of all races in each of us. 100% correct. However, please remember Republicans were created under a rock. |
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Post by packerconvert on Jul 12, 2012 18:56:43 GMT -5
I'm also reminded that if we believe in the teachings of religion, we are all descendents of two people in the beginning. That means there's at least a few threads of all races in each of us. 100% correct. However, please remember Republicans were created under a rock. I find it interesting that liberals 100 % agree that they hail from a historical line of inbreeding, incestuous relationships which science has repeatedly demonstrated results in retardation. I'll be glad to take the rock in this instance. |
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Post by amoeba15 on Jul 13, 2012 8:35:52 GMT -5
100% correct. However, please remember Republicans were created under a rock. I find it interesting that liberals 100 % agree that they hail from a historical line of inbreeding, incestuous relationships which science has repeatedly demonstrated results in retardation. I'll be glad to take the rock in this instance. Per your 'inbreeding, icestuous relationships' comment, please remember why sooooooooo many southerners vote for Republicans. Also, I am sure that you will remember that voters with higher IQ's vote Democrat. ;D  |
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Post by packerconvert on Jul 13, 2012 10:32:40 GMT -5
Like a typical liberal, you constantly refute your own words.
First, Republicans were born under a rock, now you will have it that they were birthed in a different manner.
And your latter statement is completely false, but that is understandalbe given the messenger.
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