National health plan

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Romney said it, and will have to renege on what he said. He indicated that when he became President (that made me chuckle), he'd work to either rescind or revise the health plan.

If Republicans were smart (I rather doubt they are), they would be talking about working out a compromise on getting issues resolved in the plan, instead of total obstructionism.

There are problems with the plan, and I've said it from the start. But, since it's now legitimate law, why not work to make it something of value to all of us? Why sit there and act like a disobedient child who isn't getting their way, and throwing one tantrum after another?

One dumb-ass on the right compared it to 9-11! He apologized, later. But that's the problem. Right-wingers seem to think that throwing around analogies like that are fine. They're just "part of the game." Obviously they don't understand the significance of the events they're comparing things to. Obviously that moron doesn't get the message about what 9-11 was really all about, and the tragedy it was.

Add to that the Fox network's total ignorance of comparing the dumb fed program that put guns into the hands of the cartel as just like Watergate. That's totally moronic! But they all got on board that band wagon like good little elephant tenders, and used the same analogy.

For all those who watch, or listen to Fox, here's a little primer on what happened.

Watergate was burglary, and not a government operation. It was an operation conducted illegally with the intent of causing damage to the opposition. It was a felony.

The gun bit was an operation sanctioned within the government that went haywire. It was a stupid plan, and it backfired, but not once was it done with the intent of committing a felony, although right-wingers seem to be ignorant enough to believe it was.

If people on the right don't start demanding more of the people reporting information to them, and don't demand more of their leaders, they're fools.

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Excuse me? Are you sucking on LSD lolipops?

You want to berate the right for using 9/11 terminology and you have your goons on the left using terminology comparing American politicians to terrorists? Get real.

And the goobers over at Fox weren't comparing the gun running scandal to Watergate, Tucker Carlson was comparing Holder's "Nixonian" Reponse to Nixons response when Watergate blew up and resulted in indictments, i.w. both idiots gave incoherent responses that had nothing to do with the charges at hand.

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Ahem...they were comparing it to Watergate. There were at least a half dozen different reference to various Fox talking heads using that analogy.

You might want to watch the Jon Stewart segment from the other night that showed over a half dozen of them. It's pure ignorance.

As for anyone on the left comparing obstructionism to terrorism, I wouldn't agree with that either. It's a dumb statement! But that doesn't excuse the ignorance of people referring to the gun debacle as similar to 9-11. If you think they're right, you're deluded. This came from an elected official who is supposed to at least have a little bit of an understanding of what matters really are.

You might as well face facts. The right is throwing tantrums because they keep getting their arses spanked by the Supreme Court, and for obvious reasons. Now there's comments about how Roberts should be impeached. Incredible!

I'm still at a loss as to figure out how these nice right-wing (so called) Christians can sit there and want to withhold medical attention for the poor, and food for the children.

In November, I want to see the right handed their asses on a platter, so they limp away from DC with the knowledge the party needs to be rebuilt with a more tolerant voice.

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I don't think Roberts should be impeached. The Supreme Court did their job and people (the right) need to be mindful of how Obama was attacked when the President gave that idiotic response that the Supreme Court should uphold Obamcare because duly elected offiicals passed the legislation. They didn't like the President's dis' and they shouldn't be shoveling their own dis' when it doesn't go their way. And I really dont' think the SC has been handing the Reps their Arse. They installed Bush as President, recognized corporations as people and you can ask a Mexican for his papers.

In relation to my last post, all I am saying is that I don't recall your half page tirade against liberals who used the word "terrorist" to vent their frustration.

Forgive me if you did write a half page tirade. I would love to read it.

Thanks.

[amoeba15]

I, for one, do refer to House Republican Obstructionists as freakin terrorists because if they DO NOT want to be called TERRORISTS, start honoring your oath of office, remove the depends, stop playing SWITCH (alternating thumbs in arse then mouth) and after being burped, PERHAPS..Republicans can finally get down to business.

However, I have very, very strong doubts whether the majority of Republicans know how to focus and do what is necessary. I mean, just look at the FIRST reaction from Republicans, following the Supreme Court upholding Obamacare. Republicans IMMEDIATELY tried to go for Obama's jugular by stating we are going to REPEAL Obamacare. WTF!!!

Sooooooooo much WASTED time and for what?

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I agree, so much wasted time and money. I found the following quote interesting. Jay Carney is insisting that the personal mandate is a penalty, not a tax, but even it it were a tax...

"You can call it what you want," Carney said, underlining Congressional Budget Office estimates thatt i will affect only 1 percent of Americans. "It is not a broad-based tax.""One percent of the population. One percent. You can call it what you want, but it is affecting 1 percent of the population. Because most people either have health insurance or people do the responsible thing and if they can afford health insurance they will purchase it," the spokesman said.

Soooo, what was the point of Obamacare again?

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I think there's a question you should be answering PC. Why are you against a program that guarantees people the right of medical insurance? Why do you think that those who have existing conditions, or are poor, should be given no medical assistance?

Since you're against a national healthcare system, that would mean your own grandchildren, if your child and spouse were out of work, would no longer have medical insurance.

You'd be good with that? You figure that if one of the kids gets sick and needs help, and none of you can afford it, you'd just let nature take it's course?

I think you'd be looking at it differently if that was the case, and based on what I'm seeing of our industrial base in this country, it could very easily happen.

But then, with no insurance, even if they found jobs, preexisting conditions could eliminate the poor kids from insurance.l

But that's okay, right? After all, the insurance companies have a right to continue making record profits because they pay billions into lobby in support of Republicans in Congress.

And after all.... they're the ones who have a right to f- your life up if they so choose.

Meanwhile, with the same mouths, Republicans say it's impossible for industry to compete in this country, so shipping it overseas is cool. You can even keep more of the profits, because.... you deserve it all.

I've never heard such ignorance in my life. People on the right are just plain f-ing stupid at this point!

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You don't get it.

The Supreme Court stated that the Government was allowed to tax because the law created the condition to tax, i.e. if you don't have health insurance, you are taxed.

As I said in another thread, what's next? The Federal Government says if you don't own a GM manufactured car, you pay another tax?

How about if you don't go into reside in a non-profit, Christian based Assisted Living facility, you will pay a higher tax?

Why?

"For profits" financially rape the finances of Senior Adults forcing them to end up on public assistant during the latter term of their lives. Granted the "For profit" facilities are newly built and offer services and environment akin to a five star hotel and they attracted wealthier Senior Adults to their facility like bears to honey.

Senior Adults should be more responsible with their private finances as not to be a burden on the taxpayers, and if they choose to reside in a for profit assisted living facility, then they will be taxed to offset the cost down the road to local governments when all they have left to their name are SS checks and have to go on Family Care who, lets face it, for profits want nothing to do with.

Is that the kind of government you want? One that picks and chooses what services you should utilize and punishes you financially when you don't change your behavior to what is the government wants for all?

If the Federal Governments wants to provide universal healthcare for everyone, then keep it simple stupid and do a single payer system.

At the very least, expand Medicare to the habitually indigent.

Bullying Americans into changing personal behavior and choice by the Federal Government is social engineering and that is the difference between you and I.

If you like bullys, be a Democrat.

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I've never heard so much BS at one time in my life.

Senior Adults should be more responsible with their private finances as not to be a burden on the taxpayers, and if they choose to reside in a for profit assisted living facility, then they will be taxed to offset the cost down the road to local governments when all they have left to their name are SS checks and have to go on Family Care who, lets face it, for profits want nothing to do with.

You have this pie in the sky belief that the average senior citizen has had hundreds of thousands of dollars to stash away over their life time, to protect them in retirement. If you really believe that, you really are totally out of touch with reality, and quite honestly shouldn't even have the right to vote, because you haven't seen, nor understood, one f-ing thing that's happened to senior citizens over the last decade.

You better take a damned good look at how bad the situation is, because you certainly aren't prepared to discuss the issue at this time.

I'm sorry! You may see it in that lily-white community you live in, from your perspective, but it's totally inadequate as a nationwide, or even state-wide, view.

Have you ever taken the time to see exactly what percentage of senior citizens are being wiped out financially by medical expenses?

Read something other than right wing horse crap!

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You and I are talking about the same thing, having personal fortunes wiped out due to medical expenses. What do you think long-term care is? Afternoon bingo?

Everyday, I see Senior Adults of the Silent Generation move into these new, luxurious Assisted Living facilities with 5 Star Amenties. Life is good for them. They get assitive care with their Activities of Daily Living and enjoy a beautiful surrounding until.....they run out of money.

After they run out of money and can no longer afford the $3,500 to $4,000 a month Assisted Living facility, they receive a letter that they have 30 days to vacate.

Boom, family makes application for "Family Care"( a wholly taxpyaer funded entity) in Wisconsin and a case worker looks for one of those non-profit agencies who accept "Family Care" payment or a For Profit that is only 2 star. The receive the same assistance with the Activities of Daily Living, just not the five star amenities. Essentially, its Common Sense Care at a Common Sense Price.

The non-profits don't get their full private rates either; typically Family Care pays 60-to 70 percent of what that rate would be if they had paid privately, but no where near what the 5 Stars charge.

It frustrates me to no end to see these 5 Star places suck the money out of Seniors and then boot them and expect the public sector to continue their care.

You're right, that most seniors aren't wealthy. Many sell their homes and use the proceeds to pay for long-term care. That money could be stretched out longer and a senior woudl not need to go on public pay assistance so quickly if they didn't alllow their financies to go faster in the 5 star palaces.

Yet, who am I to tell them how to spend their hard earned money, especially after a long, good life.

I have a real problem with other people and the government telling people how to spend their money and apparently you do to with the expression of wicked anger in your last post.

Sadly, I do know what I am talking about as I have witnessed that fight between public pay and private pay for the last 25 years and it will only get worse as your generation traverses the retirement system.

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PS. I have a warm fuzzy feeling inside me knowing that I was the one able to present the MOST BS to you in one single moment in all of your life.

I rock!

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It's tragic, what's happening to seniors. Some day, it could be my wife and I.

[amoeba15]

PC,

In a nutshell..

U.S. Health Care Costs Per Family More Than Doubled In Nine Years, Report Finds

Please check out the chart..simply AMAZING. Tis why Obama wants to have NATIONAL FREAKIN HEALTHCARE because EVERYBODY knows that businesses DEMAND profits and businesses WILL pass healthcare costs onto its employees.

www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/16/us-healthcare-costs-double-report_n_862677.html

[amoeba15]

"The Supreme Court stated that the Government was allowed to tax because the law created the condition to tax, i.e. if you don't have health insurance, you are taxed."

The Supreme Court held that Congress is authorized and/or has the power to tax.

Bush and Republicans have NOBODY TO BLAME BUT THEMSELVES.

I mean, think about it..IF Bush did not SUCK sooooooo much as President, Democrats would NEVER have gotten an OVERWHELMING majority in Congress.

Sooooo TYPICAL that Republicans NEVER take responsibility for anything.

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How much does it cost for long term care? Here's a calculator that gives you figures, state by state. They may not be 100% accurate, but they aren't that far off. It will tell you why families soon go bankrupt, and are at the mercy of the state to care for them.

www.genworth.com/content/non_navigable/corporate/about_genworth/industry_expertise/cost_of_care.html

There are even terror stories for those who paid faithfully for extended care insurance policies for decades. The amounts insurers will pay isn't nearly enough to cover the needs, and the loopholes in their insurance coverage are often what they use to stop payments. In essence, they hope that litigation isn't settled before the person dies.

www.genworth.com/content/non_navigable/corporate/about_genworth/industry_expertise/cost_of_care.html

The cost of having $2,500 a month coverage for my wife and I, at this time in life, for up to 5 years? Over $900 a month, and guess what? That's not even half of what it would cost for us to be in a nursing home during that period of time.

As someone I know found out, when her husband ended up in a nursing home, she had to pay the $500 a month premiums while he was in there, dying, or they would cut off the $2,500 a month payments.

So, what happens? You've got it. People just let themselves die, to avoid draining the meager savings a family has, just to allow themselves to be buried with dignity. Or, as what's happening more and more now, people are just getting rid of everything in advance, handing it off to their kids, and letting the freaking states pay the freight, because absolutely nothing they've done for an entire lifetime really matters. The "system" is going to take it all anyway, unless you have one hell of a lot of money to protect yourself, your family, and assets.

Such is the American way.