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Post by amoeba15 on Jul 2, 2012 14:51:36 GMT -5
Buuttttt, it IS NOT the government's problem or responsibility? Nope, the wealthiest country in the world can easily look like a 4th world country. Decaying and rotting corpses throughout the land. Imagine going to Niagara Falls with your family and having dead bodies everywhere, sort of like Dawn of the Dead except soooo many DEAD bodies. Why should taxpayers pay for healthcare, the next thing you know, taxpayers are gonna expect money to pay for the elderly, the sick, the impoverished...Oh where will the spending of money ever end? There is NO WAY that taxpayers should pay to remove the dead or to help the sick and impoverished. Why should the government send money to other countries, or for that matter spend soooooo much on US military and defense. I mean, who would want a country full of sick and dying people? Why should taxpayers pay for police, teachers, fire department people, Medicare, Social Security or any taxes at all. WE know how to better our money and IF the government gives us all of our money, WE will be in a better position to invest in sooooo much that everybody in the US will benefit.  |
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Post by happypacker on Jul 2, 2012 16:45:28 GMT -5
sounds like what happens with the rich,,, they get all the laws and have little fear that what monies they bring in will have to be paid back in taxes, they got all the loop holes to keep almost all the money.
One more think,, the rich and i have heard it to often, really put less money back into the system than the working majority. they are to busy investing and hiding money instead of the working majority that spends almost all there money each week to to pay bills eat ,drink, drive, and so forth which keeps more people in this country working than the rich who know little about the real world while they are in another country spending there hard earned cash there.
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Post by packerconvert on Jul 4, 2012 9:22:17 GMT -5
Umm..first off, investing is putting money back into the system so companies can expand, hire people and make money, but I digress. Here is an example of retardation that liberals support. In order to plug an economic shortfall(not enough tax revenue) caused by an economic slow down, France has decided to burden the already faltering economic engine of France with an additional 7 billion dollars in taxes. If the economic machine can't keep up with the needs of the government at this time, what do you think an additional 7 billion in taxes is going to do? This following a move that lowered the retirment age as well. Thankfully, this is France and I don't mind watching the country implode on itself. news.yahoo.com/french-budget-adds-7-billion-euros-taxes-rich-100603279--business.html |
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Post by amoeba15 on Jul 6, 2012 12:41:06 GMT -5
Umm..first off, investing is putting money back into the system so companies can expand, hire people and make money, but I digress. Here is an example of retardation that liberals support. In order to plug an economic shortfall(not enough tax revenue) caused by an economic slow down, France has decided to burden the already faltering economic engine of France with an additional 7 billion dollars in taxes. If the economic machine can't keep up with the needs of the government at this time, what do you think an additional 7 billion in taxes is going to do? This following a move that lowered the retirment age as well. Thankfully, this is France and I don't mind watching the country implode on itself. news.yahoo.com/french-budget-adds-7-billion-euros-taxes-rich-100603279--business.htmlWooooooo Hoooooooo!!!    Tis NEVER wrong to tax the crap out of the wealthy.  |
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Post by thegreenmeanie on Jul 6, 2012 13:35:54 GMT -5
You already pay for healthcare! Non profits cant refuse patents, and so when they dont pay hospitals adjust prices so they are not swallowing costs.
You know what im sick of? Im *bleeping* paying for it. Money comes out of my check every two weeks for these services i dont even use. Then i have to bring some drunk ass over to get his head scanned before we have to sober him up to go to jail...
You already pay for all this crap. You have people like me at 28 getting the bill for America and im sick of it. They should makes them buy insurance. Those people that "dont need it" are the first ones showing up at my ER.
Its a d**n joke, and time for a change already. Make them pay, because as someone who does the right thing and pays im tired of carrying these people. Wheres my guarentee?
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Post by amoeba15 on Jul 6, 2012 13:53:00 GMT -5
What I get upset about is how my 3rd knee surgery (repair torn ACL, torn Lateral Meniscus, shave some clone cartilage growth from one area and put in a partial hole of my medial meniscus and patch up a hole in my knee joint) cost $30,000.00, but because my Surgeon had a contract with my insurance company, my insurance company ONLY Paid $1200.00 to my surgeon.
WHY can't people with NO insurance have similar rates?
IF you have NO insurance, my surgeon will give you a 30% discount, but the money must be paid in advance of the surgery.
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Post by packerconvert on Jul 6, 2012 16:17:28 GMT -5
"The Supreme Court stated that the Government was allowed to tax because the law created the condition to tax, i.e. if you don't have health insurance, you are taxed."The Supreme Court held that Congress is authorized and/or has the power to tax. Bush and Republicans have NOBODY TO BLAME BUT THEMSELVES. I mean, think about it..IF Bush did not SUCK sooooooo much as President, Democrats would NEVER have gotten an OVERWHELMING majority in Congress. Sooooo TYPICAL that Republicans NEVER take responsibility for anything. Dude, even with a super majoirty, the antz in the Senate used a parliamentary move reserved for taxes to pass Obamacare with a simple majority, so your statement is irrlevant and moot, and quite franklly, a waste of your time to type and mine to read. |
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Post by packerconvert on Jul 6, 2012 16:21:20 GMT -5
You already pay for healthcare! Non profits cant refuse patents, and so when they dont pay hospitals adjust prices so they are not swallowing costs. You know what im sick of? Im *bleeping* paying for it. Money comes out of my check every two weeks for these services i dont even use. Then i have to bring some drunk ass over to get his head scanned before we have to sober him up to go to jail... You already pay for all this crap. You have people like me at 28 getting the bill for America and im sick of it. They should makes them buy insurance. Those people that "dont need it" are the first ones showing up at my ER. Its a d**n joke, and time for a change already. Make them pay, because as someone who does the right thing and pays im tired of carrying these people. Wheres my guarentee? WTF are you griping about. On your left hand you gripe that you have to pay for "carrying" people and Obama comes along and forces your right hand to embrace personal mandates so that you can continue carrying the very same people. And guess what, they are still going to end up in your ER. |
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Post by thegreenmeanie on Jul 6, 2012 18:41:24 GMT -5
What post did you read? The mandate insures everyone is contributing to this. No more can a pill head walk in and rack up a 1200 bill and the hospital not get jack crap for it. Its about time they get this going in the right direction. If you dont want to be intelligent enough to get insurance than you should sign a paper saying you will pay out of pocket 100% or not take advantage of us.
That of course will never happen in sue first take personal responsibility later America. This is such a non argument its not even funny.
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Post by packerconvert on Jul 7, 2012 9:04:48 GMT -5
What post did you read? The mandate insures everyone is contributing to this. No more can a pill head walk in and rack up a 1200 bill and the hospital not get jack crap for it. Its about time they get this going in the right direction. If you dont want to be intelligent enough to get insurance than you should sign a paper saying you will pay out of pocket 100% or not take advantage of us. That of course will never happen in sue first take personal responsibility later America. This is such a non argument its not even funny. The crack head isn't going to contribute anything. The mandate that forces states to set up an exchange for the poor thorugh Title XIX was shot down. So what do you think that means? Think jimmy crack corn is going to be contributing to his 1200 bill? Do you think the State is going to pay the hospital for that bill when there is no insurance exchange set up for the poor? As it stands, the hopitals will still get the poor in their ER and the cost will be past off in inflated healthcare prices. What is it you guys do not understand about the SCOTUS decision? The exercise this country has undgerone over the last 3 years to provide insurance to the 38 million uninsured was not approved by the Court while a large hefty tax was passed along to the rest of the middle class to support the Bureaucratic Structure of Central Planning. Poor people are still without insurance and with Congress divivded, Obamacare as you know it will cease to exist. |
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