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Post by TW on Nov 5, 2009 7:59:22 GMT -5
I agree with this article. Democrats better get their act straight. If they don't, they'll lose control of Congress next year, and rightfully show. They're pushing agendas that aren't going to work, and not wanted by the people in a lot of cases. Then there's the "bail-out," which has done nothing for the average person on the street. Whereas it's nice that the people running banks got a nice bonus for running their industry into the ground, and ACORN is funding low income housing needs, what is being done for the average American who is the one who's losing everything they have due to this economy? The Dems have one year to get it right, or they're going to be burnt in the elections. news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20091105/pl_politico/29167 |
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Post by amoeba15 on Nov 5, 2009 23:22:28 GMT -5
Election Day losses in Virginia and New Jersey have congressional Democrats focused like never before on jobs — their own.
Duuuhhhhhh Congress. I guess the saying, misery loves company applies here. Addressing and solving the jobs issue IS a no-brainer.
When Obama first started pushing health care coverage, I had flash backs to the Clinton days and thought, NOT AGAIN. I understand how important health care coverage is, BUT, there are soooooooo many things that are more important such as IF many Americans are unemployed, HOW THE HECK ARE WE GONNA FINANCE HEALTH CARE.
Besides, unemployment costs, war costs, stimulus costs, foreclosures, continued job losses...seem to need solutions ASAP. Of course, IF there are enough bright miracle workers in Congress and on Obama's team, then perhaps everything can be fixed at the same time.
So far, Obama and Congress have fallen waaaaayyyyyyy short of expectations.
COMPROMISE is crucial. Everybody in Congress must stop playing politics and start doing the right things.
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Post by gopackgo2000 on Nov 6, 2009 9:29:29 GMT -5
I agree with this article. Democrats better get their act straight. If they don't, they'll lose control of Congress next year, and rightfully show. They're pushing agendas that aren't going to work, and not wanted by the people in a lot of cases. Then there's the "bail-out," which has done nothing for the average person on the street. Whereas it's nice that the people running banks got a nice bonus for running their industry into the ground, and ACORN is funding low income housing needs, what is being done for the average American who is the one who's losing everything they have due to this economy? The Dems have one year to get it right, or they're going to be burnt in the elections. news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20091105/pl_politico/29167TW, I respect a lot of what you say, but you gotta wake up and smell the coruption at ACORN. Do you really think they are doing anything for poor people? I mean other than criminals or like minded people....this organization is corupt from the top down. THey only good ones quit because they could not stay in good conscience. Their slogan is nice, but they do not follow it the way you think they do. |
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Post by gopackgo2000 on Nov 6, 2009 9:32:27 GMT -5
Election Day losses in Virginia and New Jersey have congressional Democrats focused like never before on jobs — their own. Duuuhhhhhh Congress. I guess the saying, misery loves company applies here. Addressing and solving the jobs issue IS a no-brainer. When Obama first started pushing health care coverage, I had flash backs to the Clinton days and thought, NOT AGAIN. I understand how important health care coverage is, BUT, there are soooooooo many things that are more important such as IF many Americans are unemployed, HOW THE HECK ARE WE GONNA FINANCE HEALTH CARE. Besides, unemployment costs, war costs, stimulus costs, foreclosures, continued job losses...seem to need solutions ASAP. Of course, IF there are enough bright miracle workers in Congress and on Obama's team, then perhaps everything can be fixed at the same time. So far, Obama and Congress have fallen waaaaayyyyyyy short of expectations. [glow=red,2,300] COMPROMISE is crucial. Everybody in Congress must stop playing politics and start doing the right things.[/glow] You realize that statement I highlighted is an oxymoron right? Congress and doing what's right makes no sense in the same sentance!! Coruption must be fought before anything good can come out of Washington!! |
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Post by packerconvert on Nov 6, 2009 9:34:51 GMT -5
Devils Advocate: Is Congress to blame for corruption in Congress or are the apathetic voters to blame.
These clowns could be turned out at anytime with a recall.
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Post by TW on Nov 6, 2009 11:57:20 GMT -5
Even with recall, you get the dredges the two parties throw on the ballot.
Who gets on those ballots is decided by sleazy deals and lots of money to throw around.
The winner is the one who panders most to the voters to get in office, then he gets paid back through campaign contributions.
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Post by gopackgo2000 on Nov 6, 2009 12:10:30 GMT -5
Even with recall, you get the dredges the two parties throw on the ballot. Who gets on those ballots is decided by sleazy deals and lots of money to throw around. The winner is the one who panders most to the voters to get in office, then he gets paid back through campaign contributions. This is the game as usual as it has been played for soooooo long. However I believe that there is shared blame here...We the voters have culpability, but so do the parties...It is time we get beyond parties in this country!! Find a decent person to run for local office and help get them elected! It starts at home before the national scene can be fixed!! |
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Post by TW on Nov 6, 2009 12:19:56 GMT -5
Organized opposition. The two parties will use their entire weight to insure no third party, or independent, succeeds.
We have a Mayor in Rockford who is an independent. He was reelected, despite some of the nastiest campaign actions I've seen by either or both parties. He was elected despite having very little money to run.
Over the course of his first term, he put the people of Rockford first, and put both parties in a position where opposing him on several issues meant they'd lose face in the community.
But, despite the good he's done, both parties have pretty much shut down any assistance to the city that would have normally come through the political channels of both parties. What happens here is a direct result of his work, not with the support of either party, or even the state, or fed, because he's an "outsider" in the system.
Yet, when they have a chance to promote one of their own, as a "replacement" for him, they'll come riding in and say that this person is responsible for getting what the city needed.
You should see how the city council drags it's feet at times. Republicans and Democrats joining together to fight him, even when they know what he's proposing is good for the entire community.
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Post by gopackgo2000 on Nov 6, 2009 14:09:12 GMT -5
Organized opposition. The two parties will use their entire weight to insure no third party, or independent, succeeds. We have a Mayor in Rockford who is an independent. He was reelected, despite some of the nastiest campaign actions I've seen by either or both parties. He was elected despite having very little money to run. Over the course of his first term, he put the people of Rockford first, and put both parties in a position where opposing him on several issues meant they'd lose face in the community. But, despite the good he's done, both parties have pretty much shut down any assistance to the city that would have normally come through the political channels of both parties. What happens here is a direct result of his work, not with the support of either party, or even the state, or fed, because he's an "outsider" in the system. Yet, when they have a chance to promote one of their own, as a "replacement" for him, they'll come riding in and say that this person is responsible for getting what the city needed. You should see how the city council drags it's feet at times. Republicans and Democrats joining together to fight him, even when they know what he's proposing is good for the entire community. It does not surprise me. I saw a Republican get thrown under the bus in our last mayoral election by mainly the Republicans. The Democrats were there too, but seriously it is tough to fight the two parties. But it still needs to be done and we need all voters to realize that they are these idiots bosses not the other way around! It will hurt and it may take a while, but I think a viable third party can emerge...takes faith, guts, and some funding!! |
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Post by TW on Nov 6, 2009 15:20:17 GMT -5
Funding is the key issue. That always enters the picture. The two majors get all they need on a national level, and they can pour all they need to pour into local issues.
They also send their disinformation teams out as if they were fact finders, but they're muck rakers, and experts in "half-truths."
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Post by packerconvert on Nov 6, 2009 15:56:57 GMT -5
It reminds me of when Milwaukee and the State of Wisconsin had all Socialist Leadership, from Representatives down to the Mayor of Milwaukee.
The Dems and the Reps ganged up on the Socialist party and pretty much took apart the Socialist machine. All but the Mayor. He went on to a pretty good career.
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Post by TW on Nov 6, 2009 20:15:26 GMT -5
You might look back at when Zeidler was the Mayor of Milwaukee, and the way the city grew into prominence. He was an astute man who put his city on the map, and helped it grow.
I have a problem when people want to immediately say that socialism and communism are the same thing. They should learn to be a little more discriminate in knowing the differences.
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Post by packerconvert on Nov 6, 2009 20:28:21 GMT -5
There is no such thing as "Communism." In theory, "Communism" is a nice idea, but as long as humans are involved, there will never be true equality under the ideal.
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Post by TW on Nov 6, 2009 23:15:11 GMT -5
Socialism is practiced by every civilized country in the world, including the US.
Without it, we'd be a society of people without common cause, and we'd probably have fallen as a nation, because nobody would consider the problems of their neighbor their problem too.
The cry of taxation without representation is bogus as well. The right to impose taxes was granted under the 16th Amendment in 1913.
Yeah! I know. There are those that say it wasn't properly ratified, but at this juncture, it's in place, and still the law of the land. It, unto itself, is a social program/contract.
It's difficult operating as a society without social contracts. It would be anarchy without them.
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Post by townhalleditor on Nov 6, 2009 23:53:36 GMT -5
Social contracts are vital to the longevity of a civilized society.
Many on the right cry foul when the phrase, "redistribution of wealth" is used by the enlightened. These cries of foul are ludicrous at best and ignorant at it's worse.
Reason being, many conservatives who fear re-distribution of wealth are the very same people who have been aversely affected by the very wealthy.
Republicans are like puppets acting and speaking the words of their Masters.
I do believe in merit. I do believe a person who works hard has the right to a quality standard of living, but just how much excess and oppulence is necessary to purvey success?
The role of government is to maintain fairness and justice and justice means balance between all who call themselves Americans.
I applaud President Obama and those who seek to free the poor and the working class from the bondage of a greedy minority.
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