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Post by packerconvert on Oct 30, 2009 12:20:22 GMT -5
PC, can you direct me to a news article or something regarding this issue as I'm not familiar with it. You are kidding right?
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Post by TMWight on Oct 30, 2009 13:04:07 GMT -5
No, if it's something about Medicare than I have no idea what you're talking about. Are you talking about it's ties to the health-care reform?
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Post by packerconvert on Oct 30, 2009 13:20:01 GMT -5
Yes. My inital post spoke of a woman who paid in all her life into Medicare and is miffed that her earned/saved monies are now going to be spent on those who never worked a day in their life, not intend working.
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Post by TW on Oct 30, 2009 13:40:37 GMT -5
Another point to consider. The housewife, mother, home engineer. The person that raised the children, and did the work of several people, so hubby could go out and make money for food, shelter, etc.
Have you looked at the cost of day care? The cost of someone to care for two or three kids while the lady of the house works?
Somewhere in the fabric of almost every family income is a woman who toiled at home, keeping things up, so the family unit survived.
They may not show income in the broader sense of the word, but they still produced something that was essential to many families.
You can point out "some" people who have essentially abused the system, we know that. But is that woman really bitter about someone getting "something for nothing," or that her life didn't turn out that of the housewife whose work was at home?
Life is way too short to carry resentment around about someone who you think didn't pull their fair share of the load. The only person it hurts is the person who's bitter.
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Post by packerconvert on Oct 30, 2009 13:50:16 GMT -5
That's why stay at home mothers receive an EIC.
And given the current status of kids in this nation, I think the government should ask for it's money back.
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Post by packerconvert on Oct 30, 2009 13:54:16 GMT -5
TW, I don't think it is such a matter of bitterness as it is fairness and justice.
There is no justice in exploiting those who do work for the benefit of those who don't(this excludes stay at home Moms.)
My feeling is that if there are those with their hand out for freebies from Obama's "stash", than the government has the right to control all aspects of their lives.
Give them "good enough care" for their "good enough effort." for being a productive citizen.
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Post by TMWight on Oct 30, 2009 14:18:38 GMT -5
I agree with TW's stance on helping everyone and being a "you and I society" not a "me me me society."
Ask her if she feels everyone should have to pay into the fire service, police service, and numerous other tax driven programs even though you may never use them. Just because I don't use the city parks or beaches doesn't mean I don't have to pay for them it's part of being an American. A lot of people can't pay for this tax because they're medical disabled, does that mean we should turn a blind eye? We should be helpful to one-another and be happy that we're doing good in life.
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Post by packerconvert on Oct 30, 2009 15:15:33 GMT -5
Lets not get stupid here. Of course you pay into community services that provide safety and protection to all citizens.
Before one can take care of others, they need to take care of themselves. This is age old advice handed down from one generation to the next..cept it seems to have missed the last two generations.
If you want universal care for all, why not start it with it's own money instead of pulling a SS TRUST fund boondoggle and siphoning off assets from one government program to pay for another.
Medicare was introduced by Johnson. It is a social contract and those who paid into it should not lose beneift of what they paid into it. It is their money. It is my money in waiting!
Start up another trust fund and have all workers pay into it. Leave the old folks alone. You gonna start raping Social Security next?
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Post by TW on Oct 30, 2009 15:30:46 GMT -5
Essentially everyone pays into Social Security, even if you don't directly. The stay at home Mom, whose husband pays in. She's part of that union.
It's present in the taxes we pay, and the insurance we pay. It's there, and it's a blanket of protection for a share of Americana that wasn't born with a silver spoon in its mouth. The group that finds it has to work, and it's a protection plan that is supposed to say they're protected from birth, through death.
And yes, she is a bitter old woman who needs to take a damned good look at what it is that's really biting her. Chances are, it's because she doesn't have enough money to do what she thinks she should be able to do, and wonders why someone else is being helped, when she isn't being helped more. She wants to do more for her family, or possibly be less of a burden, so she singles out someone else, or a segment of society, to look down on, and point them out in an indirect way as being "the reason" she isn't doing quite as well as she thinks she should.
A person's mind will do things to them to help them justify what they perceive as a shortfall in themselves. When she gets to a point where she's at peace with herself over it all, she won't feel that bitterness.
My wife and I have been repeatedly kicked in the teeth by the system. Stolen retirement. Less from sources that should have been more. Lost income in a way that makes the rest of our lives a little tougher.
But, rest assured, we don't intend wasting whats left of our time being bitter over one damned iota of it. It doesn't pay, it doesn't make you feel better, it doesn't do anything except make you a bitter old man and/or woman.
She might want to focus on the good things in life, because there's a hell of a lot of them to be thankful for.
It's like my statement to every store clerk when they say; "Have a good day!"
I smile, and say; "They're all good days. When you get up in the morning, have a pulse, and your name isn't in the obituaries, you've got a real good start!"
Anyhow, that's how I see it.
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Post by packerconvert on Oct 30, 2009 15:42:38 GMT -5
So from a cost verus effort perspective. Would you support me quiting work and living off the government?
Would you have no expectations of me as your fellow American and brother, or does your giving spirit invite me to say, "screw it...why even bother"
If we become a nation of sloths...who pays the taxes to support us. Does that come from Obama's "stash" too?
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Post by packerconvert on Oct 30, 2009 15:43:34 GMT -5
P.S. IN the bigger picture, waking up above ground is a good day.
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Post by TW on Oct 30, 2009 16:10:23 GMT -5
PC,
You have to do what you think is best for you. I can't tell you whether you should work, or not work. I know I loved work. My wife she didn't love it that much. We're each different.
I always found that working helped make things happen for my family. They lived better, they enjoyed more because of it. I think that's what motivates most people, but if it doesn't motivate others, I'd ask myself why it doesn't?
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Post by packerconvert on Oct 30, 2009 16:39:23 GMT -5
I believe in work myself. I could never sit around and eat cheese pops all day.
I really dont care if someone else does and prefers not to work. They should find a way to finance it other than leeching off those who do work.
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