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Post by packerconvert on Oct 16, 2009 11:49:46 GMT -5
Such drivel about fire departments and other programs that taxes go to pay for. Such programs go towards the common good of all though I have no issues disbanding the money pit we call the Post Office and cutting back expenditures at the Federal Level. I don't see how giving me crappy health insurance when I can go out and get myself good insurance has any comparison. Undermining my ability to choose does impose upon my personal liberties as to how I run my household and run my own personal affairs. I am satisified with my health coverage, so don't screw with it Mister! No one can give any guarantees that the meddling of everyone's health insurance is going to bring down healthcare cost nor provide above average healthcare, which I do have now! I am happy to pay for programs that provide health insurance for the 15 percent who fall between the cracks, but don't come into my living room and tell me what kind of insurance I will have and then tax me more because I make more to pay for my higher end health insurance so you don't have to. Cancer runs through my family, so I will take the cadillac plan thank you. Gonna tax me for a sick family.  |
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Post by TW on Oct 16, 2009 12:07:56 GMT -5
If they allow insurance companies to continue down the road they're going, you won't even be able to get insurance because bean counters would consider you "high risk."
They'd throw you to the curb, or at least put exclusions in your policy.
That's the direction they've been going for several years now, and unless something is done, it's going to get worse.
Then there's the aging thing. You're young now. You aren't high risk. When you're older, and high risk, but not eligible for Medicare yet...what's your plan if they kick you to the curb then, because the bean counters say you're a risk?
I think about how they called HIV a "social disease of queers," and didn't pay on it because they said it automatically came from "sexual deviates."
Not only a lie, but something they only slowly and begrudgingly accepted any responsibility for, after the medical profession stated repeatedly that it could be contracted a variety of ways.
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Post by amoeba15 on Oct 16, 2009 12:23:16 GMT -5
There use to be a time when it was political suicide to mess with seniors. NOW, baby boomers are being targeted. Yup, baby boomers are much older and in need of reasonable healthcare and affordable costs. Yet, it will be alright in these instances to discrimate against age. |
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Post by TMWight on Oct 16, 2009 12:25:22 GMT -5
Such drivel about fire departments and other programs that taxes go to pay for. Such programs go towards the common good of all though I have no issues disbanding the money pit we call the Post Office and cutting back expenditures at the Federal Level. I don't see how giving me crappy health insurance when I can go out and get myself good insurance has any comparison. Undermining my ability to choose does impose upon my personal liberties as to how I run my household and run my own personal affairs. I am satisified with my health coverage, so don't screw with it Mister! No one can give any guarantees that the meddling of everyone's health insurance is going to bring down healthcare cost nor provide above average healthcare, which I do have now! I am happy to pay for programs that provide health insurance for the 15 percent who fall between the cracks, but don't come into my living room and tell me what kind of insurance I will have and then tax me more because I make more to pay for my higher end health insurance so you don't have to. Cancer runs through my family, so I will take the cadillac plan thank you. Gonna tax me for a sick family. I'm going to stop by your home and set it ablaze and when the FD comes by I'll send them home. You'll be able to keep your insurance, Obama has said that over and over again. When one in every six Americans do not have heatlh insurance it's not good. Do you think Jesus would like it if we had the means to help one another but chose not to do so? |
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Post by TW on Oct 16, 2009 12:33:13 GMT -5
Jesus was a liberal!
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Post by packerconvert on Oct 16, 2009 21:53:55 GMT -5
TM 1 in 6 = 16 percent. You want to re-vamp the whole system to accomodate 16 percent. That is ludicrous!
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Post by packerconvert on Oct 16, 2009 22:07:12 GMT -5
He was also a narcisstic meglomaniac with a messiah complex. Hmm..reminds me of our current President. Is it possible?  ? That Christ has returned? |
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Post by TW on Oct 16, 2009 22:09:48 GMT -5
1 in 6 has no insurance.
Another 1 in 6 is on welfare.
Another 1 in 6 is under insured and unable to use their health plan because they can't afford the deductibles.
I believe that makes 50% of the people who would be affected by policies that they could afford to pay.
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Post by packerconvert on Oct 16, 2009 22:18:25 GMT -5
1 in 6 has no insurance. Another 1 in 6 is on welfare. Another 1 in 6 is under insured and unable to use their health plan because they can't afford the deductibles. I believe that makes 50% of the people who would be affected by policies that they could afford to pay. Those on welfare have Title XIX, so they have health insurance. The 1 in 6 underinsured are part of the original 16 percent. So we are back to re-vamping an entire system for 16 percent. Nice try with the voodoo statitistics. |
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Post by TW on Oct 16, 2009 22:50:45 GMT -5
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Post by packerconvert on Oct 16, 2009 23:25:38 GMT -5
If I can find a way to have affordable health insurance, I am sure the rest of American can with little or not intervention from Uncle Sam.
BTW..it is still 16 percent of Americans who have health insurance issues, so lets focus on those poor bastards.
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Post by TW on Oct 17, 2009 6:44:20 GMT -5
You only have affordable health insurance because you're employed, have a somewhat benevolent employer, and are young and healthy.
Now, if you were 55+, lost your marginal job, had medical problems, you not only wouldn't be able to find a job, you certainly wouldn't get medical coverage even if you got the job.
You're giving us the "me first" approach to how you'd handle things. But, like the little boy that hollered "Wolf" too often, the time will come when you're not so fortunate, and then... you'll be right there in line with everyone who is trying to get health insurance and can't, or can't afford it.
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Post by TMWight on Oct 17, 2009 10:20:58 GMT -5
I have health-coverage from my work but it's very expensive because I bought the best of the best because due to my family's history I don't want to take any chances. When that insurance costs me 10% of my paycheck it doesn't become affordable. So you have that 16% of Americans and people like me that are having difficulty with it. Everyone bitches because the unemployment rate is at 11% because that's a big number but apparently 16% uninsured isn't a big enough number for you.
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Post by bignutz on Oct 17, 2009 19:28:19 GMT -5
NEW ORLEANS – A Louisiana justice of the peace said he refused to issue a marriage license to an interracial couple out of concern for any children the couple might have. Keith Bardwell, justice of the peace in Tangipahoa Parish, says it is his experience that most interracial marriages do not last long. news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091015/ap_on_re_us/us_interracial_rebuffI wonder if this JP is going to help the parish pay the settlement when this couple sues for discrimination? What an idiot! |
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Post by amoeba15 on Oct 18, 2009 11:26:43 GMT -5
You only have affordable health insurance because you're employed, have a somewhat benevolent employer, and are young and healthy. Now, if you were 55+, lost your marginal job, had medical problems, you not only wouldn't be able to find a job, you certainly wouldn't get medical coverage even if you got the job. You're giving us the "me first" approach to how you'd handle things. But, like the little boy that hollered "Wolf" too often, the time will come when you're not so fortunate, and then... you'll be right there in line with everyone who is trying to get health insurance and can't, or can't afford it. Nicely stated.  I honestly never went to the doctors UNTIL I hit 40. Prior to that time, I would get an occasional physical or went when I needed an antibiotic for a cold/flu, but I NEVER used my insurance. Since I turned 40, I use my insurance more often. In fact, from having played more then 15 years of football and nearly working 30 years for my law firm, I needed 2 knee surgeries that cost approximately $150,000.00. Now as I approach 50, the US wants to reveal HOW it is gonna resolve the baby boom crisis by expecting us to pay more insurance money because of our age and age related illnesses, diseases or heatlh problems...IF THIS HAPPENS...it will be interesting to see how younger generations are going to pay for welfare, medicare, social security, the deficit and their future health related problems --- and I for one, will say screw the PC's, neocons, conservatives, Republicans and anybody else who continue to have their heads up their arses. Why count on help from the baby boomers to help finance the world of younger generations? This is the most wealthiest country in the world. Americans have always made the necessary sacrifices when times have been the hardest and often, have tried their best to help one another. However, there is incredible greed and selfishness that is trying to change the mindset and perception in this country and IF, the new USA is suppose to be I have mine, screw everybody else,,,my best advice, watch out for what you ask for. Most Americans are one car accident/tragedy/illness/foreclosure/job loss... away from needing assistance. Just my two cents worth.  |
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