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Post by TW on Oct 15, 2009 15:17:41 GMT -5
I hope you realize that the day will come where you'll be one of the peons too.
The education you have will not be at an acceptable level to be a member of the "elite" in just a few short years. After all, when there are 30 some people vying for one lousy job, it's pretty easy to reduce what they get for bennies to a bare minimum.
But, until then, keep right on figuring you've "earned" the right to be treated like one of the elite.
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Post by packerconvert on Oct 15, 2009 15:20:35 GMT -5
I understand if I don't compete...I lose.
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Post by TMWight on Oct 15, 2009 15:41:19 GMT -5
Bottom line PC is that health-care should be a right, not a privilege. It's not fair to those people who are hard working and giving to not receive proper health-coverage.
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Post by packerconvert on Oct 15, 2009 15:48:07 GMT -5
I have a right to be a millionaire, but don't see anyone helping me with that one.
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Post by TW on Oct 15, 2009 15:50:36 GMT -5
Compete? You won't be allowed to compete. Your job will be downgraded to a lower level, and you'll become what you see has become of others.
That didn't happen to my wife nor I. But, if she wanted to stay in the career field, after they close her facility, she'd be in that position where she'd have to take what she could get, and be a peon.
Rest assured, your day is coming. It does to everyone, in one way or another. It's when you find out that you're not as much of a hot shot as you've thought you were.
Mine came when I realized that a guy who was patted on the back for doing such great work in the past had become a liability because he had a stroke. Obviously my wife's came with the fact she's going to be 63 and unemployed.
But, we never felt we were "better" than everyone else, or that we'd "earned" special favors because we were so well educated, or fantastic workers. We figured we were part of a team, and damned fortunate to have the jobs we had.
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Post by thegreenmeanie on Oct 15, 2009 15:56:21 GMT -5
Dismissing life saving treatments as "elective" is really quite arrogant and dismissive. Leaving countries that have government run healthcare to save a life is a very real concern and I would hate to tell someone that they have to wait to get treatment because that is the system we chose to adopt. Are we going to live by the old Star Trek saying, "The needs of the many outweight the needs of the few...or the one?" I hope we don't get to a system where number crunchers dictate the quality of care. Our healthcare system is great. It is access to our delivery system that sucks ass along with the out of control cost. Lets focus on those concerns instead of emulating mediocrity abroad. I do feel we will need to cut military spending drastically to pay for healthcare reform, but perhaps that isn't such a bad idea. George Bush showed us that if you spend that much money on the military, might as well use it. So explain to me why more and more Americans are leaving America for treatment every year? Your guys examples usually, not always, but usually consist of people with a lot of money who came to the U.S. Why then are more and more people in the U.S. going to other countries such as India because they can't get, or afford treatment here. No doubt does America in a lot of places have the best surgeons, equipment, and doctors, but that doesn't mean they should only be available if you are making 6 figures. That right there is utter bull crap, and as Americans we should be ashamed we are justifying our system because rich people come here for care when we send our own citizens to other countries because they can't afford the care, or are refused the care they should of been born into by being citizens of the United States of America. www.indian-medical-tourism.com/medical-tourism-india-price-benefits.htmlYou can read the whole site if you want, but skim some of those prices, and I hate to break it to you but it's not like India isn't producing some great doctors themselves. Especially when they learn about medicine. Tmwight and I can tell you some stories about how bad some of these doctors have become at actually practicing medicine. They sure know how to order a diagnostic test and write a prescription though. |
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Post by packerconvert on Oct 15, 2009 16:04:18 GMT -5
I can explain it in three words. "Cheap Sex Changes."
No one says a person doesn't have a right to healthcare. Just pay for it your d**n self.
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Post by TMWight on Oct 15, 2009 16:25:39 GMT -5
I can explain it in three words. "Cheap Sex Changes." No one says a person doesn't have a right to healthcare. Just pay for it your d**n self. Then it becomes a privilege and not a right at that point dude! You're just making my arguement for me at this point. |
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Post by packerconvert on Oct 15, 2009 17:43:58 GMT -5
Education is a right, but this nation ony provides opportunity.
I don't see anyone on the bandwagon to force people to purchase an education etc. when in the long run, it would provide long-term savings to our strained healthcare system
Statistics demonstrate those with educations live longer and healthier lifestyles.
But nope, like many..we only address the symptoms of an idiot nation and not the real problems having those who fall through the cracks because they don't have the education or expertise to compete in a free market society.
Lets start competing instead of emulating mediocrity so taxpayers can provide lead workers at McDonalds a nice healthcare package.
Since when does taking away a right of one person transfer a right to another?
I have a right to choose my heathcare and how I look after myself and not be forced by my government to buy a product or service.
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Post by TMWight on Oct 16, 2009 6:37:06 GMT -5
No one is telling you to stop your private insurance, they're just giving others a chance for health-care. Everyone is entitled to a free-education but more and more people cannot be insured. Parents are punished for their kids not being in school - - sometimes with jail as an option.
If you do not have insurance and you're self-pay than you're hurting my pocket book because you don't pay and that cost gets transferred to me, this bill is trying to prevent that.
Those people that work at McDonald's are working for that American Dream that we hold so dear to our hearts. Those same people are the ones who keep the dream alive that they'll find that golden brick road and become a millionaire. We are the idiots for believing such a thing can happen anymore. We are the idiots for spreading the lie. To think that we can become millionaires and wipe our butts with $20 bills is crazy! We should do our best to help those around us and if that means providing health-care than I think it needs to be done.
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Post by TW on Oct 16, 2009 6:59:22 GMT -5
I've said this before, and I'll say it again.
Americans are competing against foreign manufacturing in nations that have socialized medicine.
From the standpoint of getting "cheap products" business seems to think that's a good idea.
What they don't want, and are fighting against with the insurance companies at their side, is the same health assistance given to Americans that foreign countries give to their people - and steal our manufacturing and services jobs.
You can't have it both ways. If you want to keep health insurance where it is, quit forcing Americans out of jobs by allowing manufacturing to go overseas where labor is cheaper in subsidized insurance markets.
We're not going to get back on track as a nation as long as we let this imbalance exist.
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Post by TMWight on Oct 16, 2009 7:48:28 GMT -5
I've said this before, and I'll say it again. Americans are competing against foreign manufacturing in nations that have socialized medicine. From the standpoint of getting "cheap products" business seems to think that's a good idea. What they don't want, and are fighting against with the insurance companies at their side, is the same health assistance given to Americans that foreign countries give to their people - and steal our manufacturing and services jobs. You can't have it both ways. If you want to keep health insurance where it is, quit forcing Americans out of jobs by allowing manufacturing to go overseas where labor is cheaper in subsidized insurance markets. We're not going to get back on track as a nation as long as we let this imbalance exist. I agree. I say it's about time we punish those who send jobs over-seas with harsher taxes. Maybe then they'll realize we need jobs here in the States. |
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Post by packerconvert on Oct 16, 2009 8:32:08 GMT -5
I am with you TW. Lets provide the jobs so Americans can be self-reliant and not need the gov to constantly bail us out as a people.
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