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Post by townhalleditor on Oct 13, 2009 15:04:02 GMT -5
Grassley is upset that Snowe voted for the public option which produces a Senate bill with a public option.
This is good news for us all.
Insurance companies take notice! Americans are going to get affordable healthcare once and for all!
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Post by gopackgo2000 on Oct 14, 2009 8:48:36 GMT -5
Grassley is upset that Snowe voted for the public option which produces a Senate bill with a public option. This is good news for us all. Insurance companies take notice! Americans are going to get affordable healthcare once and for all! I find your use of "affordable" not just funny, but I am embarassed for your gross misunderstanding of what the costs will be of any public option. It will be very VERY UN-affordable!!! BTW claim denials will go through the roof. When you look at insurance company denials and Medicare/Medicaid denials Medicare/Medicaid lead the way!!! |
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Post by TMWight on Oct 14, 2009 8:54:26 GMT -5
Grassley is upset that Snowe voted for the public option which produces a Senate bill with a public option. This is good news for us all. Insurance companies take notice! Americans are going to get affordable healthcare once and for all! I find your use of "affordable" not just funny, but I am embarassed for your gross misunderstanding of what the costs will be of any public option. It will be very VERY UN-affordable!!! BTW claim denials will go through the roof. When you look at insurance company denials and Medicare/Medicaid denials Medicare/Medicaid lead the way!!! I just look at the Canadians and how well they have health-care down and I hope we get there. GPG something has to be done to make health-care more affordable and public option will do that. |
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Post by gopackgo2000 on Oct 14, 2009 9:51:26 GMT -5
I find your use of "affordable" not just funny, but I am embarassed for your gross misunderstanding of what the costs will be of any public option. It will be very VERY UN-affordable!!! BTW claim denials will go through the roof. When you look at insurance company denials and Medicare/Medicaid denials Medicare/Medicaid lead the way!!! I just look at the Canadians and how well they have health-care down and I hope we get there. GPG something has to be done to make health-care more affordable and public option will do that. I disagree...it will not make it more affordable. Plus the Canadians do not have a utopia up there. I really don't want to get into that, but there are plenty of people including the leaders of nations with Universal Health Care that come here for treatment. Why is that? |
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Post by TMWight on Oct 14, 2009 14:26:24 GMT -5
I just look at the Canadians and how well they have health-care down and I hope we get there. GPG something has to be done to make health-care more affordable and public option will do that. I disagree...it will not make it more affordable. Plus the Canadians do not have a utopia up there. I really don't want to get into that, but there are plenty of people including the leaders of nations with Universal Health Care that come here for treatment. Why is that? I couldn't disagree with you more dude. The Canadians are happy to have their health-care and are happy that it's affordable. People who come to The States for treatment can do so because they can afford the crazy rates for surgeries and elective procedures. In the UK people only pay $6USD for pharmaceuticals and their healthcare is FREE. We need to stop thinking about me me me me me and think about eachother as a PEOPLE. Myself, I make about $33,000 a year and it's impossible for me to pay my power bill, car insurance, water, food, 2 mortgages (because my wife owned a home before we married), trash pick-up, among other things, AND health, including dental vision coverage all on my paycheck alone. Thank God for my wife's job because she's the bread-winner so to speak and without her job we'd be out on the streets. It used to be that the man would be the one with a job and there wasn't a need for the wife to take a job. We don't care about eachother in this country and we dont stop and think how we can make our people grow, just how to get ahead in this world. Health-care should be a right, not a privilege. |
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Post by thegreenmeanie on Oct 14, 2009 14:31:23 GMT -5
Tmwight is right. Those stories you guys on the right like to parade around where people come here to America for health care is usually because 1.) they are rich and can afford it, and 2.) it's an elective procedure they would of had to wait for. So yes, if you do have a lot of money I will not argue that our system is perfect for you. However, what about those who do not have a lot of money? Why should they have no care what so ever while some have all the care in the world. Health care should not be a privilege, it should be there for the citizens of this country rich or poor. Would you also like to talk to people who fly to counties like India from here because it is cheaper there. I just think it's wrong to have a system where some people have nothing, and others have everything. We already have tons of systems like that in America, health care should not be one of them.
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Post by TW on Oct 14, 2009 14:32:43 GMT -5
You mentioned something I've been saying for quite a while.
There was a time when women went to work to afford a family a better way of living then they'd have with just one income.
Now it's essential that both people work just to provide the essentials for the family.
It's sad that we've come to this end.
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Post by TMWight on Oct 14, 2009 19:56:49 GMT -5
You mentioned something I've been saying for quite a while. There was a time when women went to work to afford a family a better way of living then they'd have with just one income. Now it's essential that both people work just to provide the essentials for the family. It's sad that we've come to this end. I agree 100% with that stance. My wife shouldn't have to work but she does and I'm happy that she does. If she didn't want to after I found a steady job than that's fine, but I'm not saying she's forbidden. Frankly, there are people that need those 2 incomes and will be working until the day they die. We shouldn't be working ourselves to death. There's a lot of things wrong about America. We shouldn't be sending our elders to nursing homes. We should be embracing them and learn from their wisdom. Instead, we treat them poorly, don't provide them with adequate health-care and when they become too much of a burden on us we send them to the home. I'm not saying America is bad and I'm not saying one country is better than the other. I'm simply saying we should take a hard long look at those countries that we call our friends and try to figure out what good they do and if we can do the same. |
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Post by packerconvert on Oct 14, 2009 22:19:21 GMT -5
Dismissing life saving treatments as "elective" is really quite arrogant and dismissive.
Leaving countries that have government run healthcare to save a life is a very real concern and I would hate to tell someone that they have to wait to get treatment because that is the system we chose to adopt.
Are we going to live by the old Star Trek saying, "The needs of the many outweight the needs of the few...or the one?"
I hope we don't get to a system where number crunchers dictate the quality of care.
Our healthcare system is great. It is access to our delivery system that sucks ass along with the out of control cost.
Lets focus on those concerns instead of emulating mediocrity abroad.
I do feel we will need to cut military spending drastically to pay for healthcare reform, but perhaps that isn't such a bad idea.
George Bush showed us that if you spend that much money on the military, might as well use it.
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Post by packerconvert on Oct 14, 2009 22:23:05 GMT -5
You mentioned something I've been saying for quite a while. There was a time when women went to work to afford a family a better way of living then they'd have with just one income. Now it's essential that both people work just to provide the essentials for the family. It's sad that we've come to this end. I hate to say this, but I am calling B.S.! The reason two have to work is to afford a lifestyle. Americans have become so warped that a family with two cars and five television sets making $85,000 a year are considered poor. Lets re-set our priorities. |
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Post by TW on Oct 15, 2009 5:15:31 GMT -5
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Post by TMWight on Oct 15, 2009 6:56:21 GMT -5
Dismissing life saving treatments as "elective" is really quite arrogant and dismissive. Leaving countries that have government run healthcare to save a life is a very real concern and I would hate to tell someone that they have to wait to get treatment because that is the system we chose to adopt. Are we going to live by the old Star Trek saying, "The needs of the many outweight the needs of the few...or the one?" I hope we don't get to a system where number crunchers dictate the quality of care.Our healthcare system is great. It is access to our delivery system that sucks ass along with the out of control cost. Lets focus on those concerns instead of emulating mediocrity abroad. I do feel we will need to cut military spending drastically to pay for healthcare reform, but perhaps that isn't such a bad idea. George Bush showed us that if you spend that much money on the military, might as well use it. The insurance companies ALREADY do that. They're the biggest number crunchers there are. I know a woman who had gastric bypass surgery done a few years ago and the insurance company was happy to do it so they didn't have to pay for the heart surgery, heart medications and the continual care one would need. People are denied care all the time because the insurance company decides to drop you or because they feel you will only be given 1-2 more years of life if you have the surgery. The main reason my wife has to work is so we can sustain our life, we're not buying the big screen tv, new clothes, new car (although she needs one), etc. It's the way things are right now. I'm not sure if you were referring to my post about "elective procedures" but if you were I didn't say anything about life-saving procedures. Of course we would take care of the deathly ill just like we do now, but if it's something we can hold off and schedule we'll do that, it's done EVERYDAY. Our level of care will not go down just because everyone has health-care, many nations have proven that. Please please please watch Michael Moore's Sicko. |
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Post by packerconvert on Oct 15, 2009 14:49:19 GMT -5
Dude!
If I am stuck with one insurance policy...I am being dictated to.
With different plans, I am not being dictated to. I am choosing.
And what is this crap about taxing "cadillac" plans. Let people have the type of insurance they desire along with the d**n price tag.
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Post by TW on Oct 15, 2009 14:55:39 GMT -5
Let's see if I can explain this in a satisfactory way. An awful lot of companies have two levels of insurance.
Level One, which is great, is offered to Staff that's higher up in the organization. Usually they don't pay much for it.
Level Two is what is offered to the peons, and it's costly for them as well as not much in the line of coverage.
My wife was fortunate enough to have Level One insurance, so she was happy about it. Meanwhile, about 90% of the people working for the company had the crap given at level two.
It's this "elitist attitude" in what's given to people and called insurance that is coming under scrutiny. Why are those with the least being dumped on even more?
And please... do not try to tell me that isn't happening, because it is.
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Post by packerconvert on Oct 15, 2009 15:13:12 GMT -5
Your wife is intelligent, made the right choices, obviously educated etc. She does deserve better.
I know people want all to be treated equally, but unfortuanately, people are not equal. There are those better than and less than ourselves.
People should get what they work for..not have what they have worked for shared by those who don't share same values.
Most poor people are poor because of the poor decisions they made.
Until people start accepting responsibility for their actions and reaching into the pockets of those who have achieved, you will never have a society where people get what they deserve.
Well actually people do get what they deserve....but the whiners seem to be winning the battle to dupe others that it is ok to take from those who have made lives for themselves.
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