Trust Obama...

[gopackgo2000]

I know many on here are big fans and trust Obama. I am curious as to why. I really am not trying to start anything, I am genuinely curious what he has done to invoke such strong trust by many here.

Thanks in advance!!

[packerconvert]

'cause he isn't Bush.

What a criterion for "trust."

[TW]

But, you have to admit that is a giant step forward in trust.

[packerconvert]

Sept 25, 2009 12:43:03 GMT -5 TW said:

But, you have to admit that is a giant step forward in trust.

One assumes that one trust's government. I never have. Whether Bush or Obama, Reagan or Clinton, Americans are the ones always screwed.

Obama has not done one thing different from Bush other. The American middle class continues to be squeezed.

[TW]

If you see nothing different, you haven't been watching too closely.

[packerconvert]

What is different?

The rich continue to become more rich and the middle class continue to fund the Administrative agenda.

The only difference is now instead of worrying about the President's office tapping my phone, I get to worry about my neighbor turning me in and listening to kids get indoctrinated in elementary settings singing the praises of our President.


I can only imagine how crazy the looney left would be if they heard school age children being taught to hail George W. Bush.

[TW]

I don't wish to rehash all the past problems with the Bush administration. We all know about the excesses, the war that shouldn't have been started, and the way his Administration skirted laws and usurped the rights of Americans, all for the good of the neocon population.

But... I digress... the new people in the White House are at least making an attempt to do something for the general populous, not the elitists.

[packerconvert]

Sept 25, 2009 17:19:50 GMT -5 TW said:

I don't wish to rehash all the past problems with the Bush administration. We all know about the excesses, the war that shouldn't have been started, and the way his Administration skirted laws and usurped the rights of Americans, all for the good of the neocon population.

But... I digress... the new people in the White House are at least making an attempt to do something for the general populous, not the elitists.

I think teaching our kids how to sing is wonderful, funding studies as to why cocaine addicts suffer depression and giving Al Gore 500 million to build sports cars in Sweden does wonders for the general populous.

I think I would rather have my tax dollars go towards an effort of freeing a people and righting a wrong from administrations past then the voodoo, pseudo intellectualism being perpetrated by this administration and the shadow government behind it.

[TW]

With Bush, reading wasn't fundamental. He couldn't even get picture books right side up!
It's difficult accepting indignation from people that supported him.

[packerconvert]

I understand the frustration of only being able to read a children's book one way, but those who can't read a childrens book bi-directionally really shouldn't cast indignant dispersions.

If you can't read, "See Dick Run. See Dick Run Into A Tree." upside down, you have issues.

[TW]

The bus that took Bush & McCain to school!

[amoeba15]

Sept 25, 2009 13:41:11 GMT -5 packerconvert said:

Sept 25, 2009 12:43:03 GMT -5 TW said:

But, you have to admit that is a giant step forward in trust.

One assumes that one trust's government. I never have. Whether Bush or Obama, Reagan or Clinton, Americans are the ones always screwed.

Obama has not done one thing different from Bush other. The American middle class continues to be squeezed.

Grasshopper, your Borg programming has really gotten the best of you. Remember when Bush was president and told Americans to grab their ankles and enjoy the ride? Well, Bush repeatedly raped American taxpayers, while repeatedly wiping his arse with the constitution, while drafting and passing the Presidential Empowering Act to empower him to have more power and authority then the other branches of govt. so that there could not be appropriate checks and balances and as the absolute worst president of all time -- totally fudge packed the majority of Americans.

Remember the tremendous support that Bush and the Republican controlled Congress enjoyed following 9/11, not only in the US, but around the world? Interesting how the majority of leaders around the world lost confidence and trust in Bush and the Republican party and the US, as did the majority of Americans. You need to look no further then the recent US elections.

How was the first African American able to FINALLY get elected President of the US, especially after the majority of Americans supported Bush and the Republican controlled Congress for 6 of 8 years that Bush was president? How did Bush and the Republican party lose soooooo much support, the presidency and Congress? The primary culprits are Bush and the Republican party in which there was sooooooo much incredible BS, lack of trust, confidence, hope, belief, back stabbing, raping and depriving the fundamental rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to ALL Americans.

Instead of fessing up and taking responsibility, Bush and the Republican party continued to blame the Democrats, Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton's cat Socks and even Brett Favre, whenever they screwed up. To make matters worse, Republicans continue to play their game of sabotage and/or condemnation of practically anything that Obama and Democrats proposed. Instead of trying to compromise and be part of solving the tremendous problems that occurred during Bush's watch, Republicans continued to be part of the problem. Yes, Republicans are showing everybody their patriotism.

God forbid, IF Republicans could actually work with Obama and compromise on health care, so that the majority of Americans could benefit. Republicans had NOOOOOO problem helping Halliburton officials rip off American taxpayers or helping oil execs get more wealthy or handing out Iraq oil contracts to Bush's buddies or doing practically anything to help the wealthy get more wealthy and the poor get more poor.

Republicans must honestly believe that compromising with Obama is acting like a communist, socialist or embracing Satan. In reality, Republicans continue to serve their own egos and selfish interests and in doing so, primarily help the minority of Americans, the very wealthy.

Your statement, "One assumes that one trust's government. I never have." is easy to understand since Bush became President. However, Obama and recently elected Democrats ride a wave of American hope, faith and believe into their respective offices.

Obama is trying to restore the honor, respect, integrity and trust of not only the presidency, but the US as a world leader, much of which was TOTALLY destroyed during the Bush admin. Tis a very HUGE responsibility, especially given the enormous problems that Obama inherited from Bush, BUT, a UNITED American will make the numerous obstacles easier to overcome.

God Bless President Obama and the United States of America.

[packerconvert]

Grasshopper, your Borg programming has really gotten the best of you. Remember when Bush was president and told Americans to grab their ankles and enjoy the ride? Well, Bush repeatedly raped American taxpayers, while repeatedly wiping his arse with the constitution, while drafting and passing the Presidential Empowering Act to empower him to have more power and authority then the other branches of govt. so that there could not be appropriate checks and balances and as the absolute worst president of all time -- totally fudge packed the majority of Americans.

Obviously you have forgotton that not only has Obama raped this generation of Americans financially, he has financially raped our children and grandchildrens generation and wishes to keep on spending thinking that Americans are suckers that Healthcare Reform can be paid for. Also, please do consider that Obama is wiping his ass with the Constitution with his shadow government and how it's just fine that taxpayers pay for duplicate positions within and out of constitutional offices.

Remember the tremendous support that Bush and the Republican controlled Congress enjoyed following 9/11, not only in the US, but around the world? Interesting how the majority of leaders around the world lost confidence and trust in Bush and the Republican party and the US, as did the majority of Americans. You need to look no further then the recent US elections.

Remember the tremendous support that Bush had by the Democrats and then they forgot to read the intelligence reports and would have voted differently if only they had done their jobs? Interestingly, Bush's Presidency garnered support from our allies such as France, German, England, etc. Obama doesn't have that type of support so he tours enemy nations curing support for his leftist agenda. 2010 can and will sober the Democratic Party up.

How was the first African American able to FINALLY get elected President of the US, especially after the majority of Americans supported Bush and the Republican controlled Congress for 6 of 8 years that Bush was president? How did Bush and the Republican party lose soooooo much support, the presidency and Congress? The primary culprits are Bush and the Republican party in which there was sooooooo much incredible BS, lack of trust, confidence, hope, belief, back stabbing, raping and depriving the fundamental rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to ALL Americans.

Please...having your emails turned into the WH doesn't undermine fundamental rights not to mention that Obama voted for the very bills you pregnant dog about the President signing. Remember that was a Dem Congress. Not to mention that Obama will continue Gitmo and has some 'splainin to do with prisons in Afghanistan. Oh and Charliey Rangle certainly instills faith in our elected officials as well. BTW, Obama is no more African than I am Irish...your statement is emotionally appealing to true African Americans who wish to believe the guy in the WH is all black. Like most Americans, Obama is a mutt.

Instead of fessing up and taking responsibility, Bush and the Republican party continued to blame the Democrats, Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton's cat Socks and even Brett Favre, whenever they screwed up. To make matters worse, Republicans continue to play their game of sabotage and/or condemnation of practically anything that Obama and Democrats proposed. Instead of trying to compromise and be part of solving the tremendous problems that occurred during Bush's watch, Republicans continued to be part of the problem. Yes, Republicans are showing everybody their patriotism.

"Uh..I voted for the bill, but voted against the bill. I voted yes on Iraq, but I didn't read the entire intelligence report. The bill authorizing force against Saddam wasn't a declaration of war. " Hmmm..what does authorizing force mean after Saddam failed to abide by UN resolution?

Democrats trying to compromise? Cripes, Senator Baucus's bill is probably the most palatable and most significant of all healthcare reform bills because it hails out of a Senate committee where "bi-partisanship" prevails, yet what happened at the last minute to sabotage the bill..Charlie Schumer and some other Pinko Senator tried to get the "public option" amended to the bill. Yeah, Democrats want compromise as long as it is their way.

God forbid, IF Republicans could actually work with Obama and compromise on health care, so that the majority of Americans could benefit. Republicans had NOOOOOO problem helping Halliburton officials rip off American taxpayers or helping oil execs get more wealthy or handing out Iraq oil contracts to Bush's buddies or doing practically anything to help the wealthy get more wealthy and the poor get more poor.

SEE ACORN

Republicans must honestly believe that compromising with Obama is acting like a communist, socialist or embracing Satan. In reality, Republicans continue to serve their own egos and selfish interests and in doing so, primarily help the minority of Americans, the very wealthy.

So all those Americans who stood up at these Town Hall meetings had selfish interest aye? You sound like that pink skirt..Nancy Pelosi. You have myopic vision my friend.

Your statement, "One assumes that one trust's government. I never have." is easy to understand since Bush became President. However, Obama and recently elected Democrats ride a wave of American hope, faith and believe into their respective offices.

Which offices are you respecting? The Consittutional Offices or the offices of the Shadow Government. Which one do you truly support btw?
Obama is trying to restore the honor, respect, integrity and trust of not only the presidency, but the US as a world leader, much of which was TOTALLY destroyed during the Bush admin. Tis a very HUGE responsibility, especially given the enormous problems that Obama inherited from Bush, BUT, a UNITED American will make the numerous obstacles easier to overcome.

No..Obama is an apoligist and most likely feels we deserved the attacks of 9/11. His wife wasn't proud of America until recently, so I suspect she wasn't very proud of how Americans came together that sad, sad day. Yes, Barry does listen to his wife cause she is far more calculating and intellient than Barry would ever hope or wish to be.

God Bless President Obama and the United States of America.

How about God Bless the entire world instead just our Pinko President? I suppose that would offend Muslims somehow though so understand your thinking.

[gopackgo2000]

For trying not to start something it sure started something!! TW i am not seeing reasons to trust him anymore than Bush what specifically do you point to that is so much more trustworthy? I am not a Bush fan...I am not an Obama fan...given the choice I still would take Bush, but it is not much of a choice and I really only chose Bush because he has the balls to stand up our enemies. I really don't like how Obama is handling IRAN and their idiot leader! Anyway I am interested what it is that is so much mroe trustworthy...thanks!

[amoeba15]

Sept 28, 2009 22:19:42 GMT -5 gopackgo2000 said:

For trying not to start something it sure started something!! TW i am not seeing reasons to trust him anymore than Bush what specifically do you point to that is so much more trustworthy? I am not a Bush fan...I am not an Obama fan...given the choice I still would take Bush, but it is not much of a choice and I really only chose Bush because he has the balls to stand up our enemies. I really don't like how Obama is handling IRAN and their idiot leader! Anyway I am interested what it is that is so much mroe trustworthy...thanks!

Sooooo what you are essentially saying is that you agree and/or support all of the following which Bush was responsible for?:

-No Child Left Behind. Forget about abolishing the Department of Education. Bush made the federal government a much more intrusive and costly part of local schools.

-Project Safe Neighborhoods. A draconian law that further guts the 2nd Amendment, like 20,000 other unconstitutional gun laws before it.

-Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit. This the largest expansion of the welfare state since LBJ and will cost the already bankrupt Medicare system trillions more.

-Sarbanes-Oxley Act. Possibly the most expensive and restrictive change to the securities laws since the ‘30s. A major reason why companies will either stay private or go public outside the U.S.

-Katrina. A total disaster of bureaucratic mismanagement, featuring martial law.

-Ownership Society. The immediate root of the current financial crisis lies in Bush’s encouragement of easy credit to everybody and inflating the housing market.

-Nationalizations and Bailouts. In response to the crisis he created, he nationalized Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and passed by far the largest bailouts in U.S. history (until OBAMA!).

-Free-Speech Zones. Originally a device for keeping war protesters away when Bush appeared on camera, they’re now used to herd.

-The Patriot Act. This 132-page bill, presented for passage only 45 days after 9/11 (how is it possible to write something of that size and complexity in only 45 days?) basically allows the government to do whatever it wishes with its subjects. Warrantless searches. All kinds of communications monitoring. Greatly expanded asset forfeiture provisions.

-The War on Terror. The scope of the War on Drugs (which Bush also expanded) is exceeded only by the war on nobody in particular but on a tactic. It’s become a cause of mass hysteria and an excuse for the government doing anything.

-Invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. Bush started two completely pointless, counterproductive, and immensely expensive wars, neither of which has any prospect of ending anytime soon.

-Dept. of Homeland Security. This is the largest and most dangerous of all agencies, now with its own gigantic campus in Washington, DC. It will never go away and centralizes the functions of a police state.

-Guantanamo. Hundreds of individuals, most of them (like the Uighurs recently in the news) guilty only of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, are incarcerated for years. A precedent is set for anyone who is accused of being an “enemy combatant” to be completely deprived of any rights at all.

-Abu Ghraib and Torture. After imprisoning scores of thousands of foreign nationals, Bush made it a U.S. policy to use torture to extract information, based on a suspicion or nothing but a guard’s whim. This is certainly one of the most damaging things to the reputation of the U.S. ever. It says to the world, “We stand for nothing.”

-The No-Fly List. His administration has placed the names of over a million people on this list, and it’s still growing at about 20,000 a month. I promise it will be used for other purposes in the future…

-The TSA. Somehow the Bush cabal found 50,000 middle-aged people who were willing to go through their fellow citizens’ dirty laundry and take themselves quite seriously. God forbid you’re not polite to them…

-Farm Subsidies. Farm subsidies are the antithesis of the free market. Rather than trying to abolish or cut them back, Bush signed a record $190 billion farm bill.

-Legislative Free Ride. And he vetoed less of what Congress did than any other president in history.

The worst shame of Bush – worse than the spending, the new agencies, the torture, or the wars – is that he used so much pro-liberty and pro-free-market rhetoric in the very process of destroying those institutions. That makes his actions ten times worse than if an avowed socialist had done the same thing. People will blame the full suite of disasters Bush caused on the free market simply because Bush constantly said he believed in it.

And he’s left OBAMA! with a fantastic starting point for what I expect to be even greater intrusions into your life and finances. Eventually, the Bush era will look like The Good Old Days. But only in the way that the Romans looked back with nostalgia on Tiberius and Claudius after they got Caligula. And then Nero. And then the first of many imperial coups and civil wars.