I need some guidance

[thegreenmeanie]

Sept 13, 2009 22:37:24 GMT -5 packerconvert said:

The Andromeda galaxy is going to devour our galaxy as both hurdle towards each other.

Do liberals have a plan to stop that natural phenomenon from happening as well?

No, and we probably won't as long as conservative continue to stop the progression of science to keep us operating on whatever keeps them getting more and more rich. I guess we could always use their way of fixing everything... Now, let us pray.

[packerconvert]

The science of today isn't going to stop the natural phenomenon of climate change, which started out as "global warming" until the fearmongers started looking stupid from cooler temps to increased ice in Antartica. Just as science won't stop Andromeda from tearing this galaxy a part in time.

The curious thing is, that Man believes he is God and holds the power to control the environment, or at the very least..effect change. Too funny!

Up and until scientist can create a viable bio-sphere, they will never truly understand the interaction and intraction of the environment as a whole and to think one can is arrogant and pompous.

All agree in environmentally sound policies, but don't be jacking my fuel bill up to further your fuzzy feelings of doing right by Mother Nature and protecting pretty birds while looking cool in front of your girl.

P.S. I still hold to the statement that Mother Earth can take care of herself and if humanity becomes problematic, humanity will simply be gone by the wave of Mother's Natures hand...so who is humanity really trying to save here?

With the way humanity is going, should we really be trying to save ourselves..or just apoligize for the turds we have turned out to be an accept our punishment of annihlation.

[gopackgo2000]

Hey why do we care about the future when the Myans and Nostradomis predicted that the world will end in 2012....LIVE IT UP PEOPLE!! ;-)

[gopackgo2000]

It is interesting that I think Meanie said that conservatives are getting in the way of science. I have heard several differing scientific opinions about Climate change...why do we have to believe that the science is settled? Why won't the climate change believers ever have an open debate with those that don't yet believe?

[thegreenmeanie]

I'll have a debate. I'll debate it anytime you want and that's not what I said. I said people like to keep us behind because there is profit. For instance whenever there is a new technology in health care or entertainment it is all over. Look at the way TV's and video games develop over a 10 year period and look at the fact that a lot of cars Americans were producing for the past decade in half got 15mpg or less... You don't see anything wrong with that?

Also, If you want me to talk to you, you can respond to me in other threads. I know you don't like me anymore because of my politics but don't expect anything in return then.

Also "yet believe" implies you will be shown the light.

If you read all my posts, which I know you don't. IF you did you would see I said this doesn't have to be about climate change. We can recycle and be better on energy because we have the ability to. In everything else when science shows us a better way we are all over it. However, there is a huge resistance from the right to accept anything that might be green because they feel they have to stop climate change in the ground. It doesn't have to be about that. It can be about being more responsible and using the technology we have to make life better for everything on this planet.

[TMWight]

Everyone is acting a little nutty right now.

[gopackgo2000]

Sept 14, 2009 22:58:19 GMT -5 @thegreenmeanie said:

I'll have a debate. I'll debate it anytime you want and that's not what I said. I said people like to keep us behind because there is profit. For instance whenever there is a new technology in health care or entertainment it is all over. Look at the way TV's and video games develop over a 10 year period and look at the fact that a lot of cars Americans were producing for the past decade in half got 15mpg or less... You don't see anything wrong with that?

Also, If you want me to talk to you, you can respond to me in other threads. I know you don't like me anymore because of my politics but don't expect anything in return then.

Also "yet believe" implies you will be shown the light.

If you read all my posts, which I know you don't. IF you did you would see I said this doesn't have to be about climate change. We can recycle and be better on energy because we have the ability to. In everything else when science shows us a better way we are all over it. However, there is a huge resistance from the right to accept anything that might be green because they feel they have to stop climate change in the ground. It doesn't have to be about that. It can be about being more responsible and using the technology we have to make life better for everything on this planet.

Meanie,

Chill dude I like you and everyone on here a lot! Your politics are not mine but that does not mean I don't like you. I am not sure where you got that....anyway....You are right that I do not read every one of your posts. I can say that what you described is very similar to how I feel about recycling and stuff. My position comes from a religious base of being a good steward of what God has given us.

I also agree that it does not make sense that the fuel economy hasn't progressed, but here are some thoughts as to why:

1. Up until a couple of years ago when gas prices went up no one really cared. There was no incentive to put R&D money into it from a business standpoint. It was much more profitable to develop Heated Seats and better comfort designs and looks, because that is how we as a nation typically buy cars.

2. We also like power! Horsepower sells and that takes fuel!

3. Up until the last couple of years the hybrid/better fuel economy cars were pretty darn ugly.

4. There is a fear factor for some because of the possible huge costs with battery replacement and new technology is scary for some.

Many of these reasons may seem stupid, but it is reality. So it now comes down to whether we are required to any of this stuff or not. I believe that because there are so many on both sides of the issue there needs to be an open debate. That was what I was refering to in the last post. Not you specifically, I mean the scientific community. However in a free country I have great reason for pause anytime there are talks of imposing restrictions on people's individual rights or penalizing individual rights.

Meanie,

I want to make sure you understand. I like you just fine along with everyone else on this board. I left the Packer Report Board because of the idiots on there and I like everyone here! I am sorry for anythign I said that you took as a direct attack!