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Post by thegreenmeanie on Sept 5, 2009 21:36:32 GMT -5
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Post by TMWight on Sept 5, 2009 23:49:20 GMT -5
I was talking to our friend earlier that said our doctors are going to get paid less and that people from Canada already come here because our healthcare is better. I tried to show him that doctor's get paid virtually the same but with the exchange rate the Canadian doctor's actually make MORE. Nurses actually make more as well. A heck of a lot more in fact.
What a joke. I have family in Canada that love having their healthcare and the people who came to the States to get whatever they needed done had to pay out of pocket. Shona Holmes, who came to the States to get what she wanted done, wasn't denied the treatment in Canada she was just told her "tumor" was a benign cysts (Rathke's cleft cyst) that was non-emergent and she could wait for treatment. Waiting for a treatment is not a rare thing in the States either, surgeries that aren't life-threatening are SCHEDULED. My wife's grandmother was told she needed a heart cath put in, normally in the States that's an emergent thing, but there they actually look and see how much blockage there is and evaluate the patient and schedule their appointment. Any doctor I've talked to has told me that most of the catheters they place in patients don't need to be placed in on an emergency basis.
Meanie and I are both in the healthcare field and we see people on a daily basis going to the emergency room to see "their doctor." These people actually believe that the emergency room doctor is their personal physician. I used to have people call me and tell me they were on their way in and needed to be put on the list - - guess what, this isn't call ahead seating. You come to the ER, if you're sick enough to go back then you go back, don't come to the ER because your herpes is outbreaking. If we had medicine for everyone we wouldn't have these overcrowding ERs, we wouldn't be in the mess we are right now. If anyone is far worse on healthcare it's the American's and I know from personal experience.
I dispatch for a trauma air-ambulance and we try to get the patient's insurance information as quickly as we can. We usually bill the patient 24 hours after flight, that way the insurance company pays us a higher percentage rather then waiting for that percentage to get lower. Shame shame shame.
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Post by thegreenmeanie on Sept 6, 2009 8:53:40 GMT -5
The other day a nurse I was talking to said how she volunteers her time, and how she knows a doctor or two that on Saturdays turn their practice into a free clinic to serve those who do not have insurance. She said that they still get care and there is no reason to revamp the system...
To me that speaks louder of the problem. People are all over the media complaining about waiting for elective procedures and surgeries such as Orthopedic procedures but this lady is justifying our system is fine by using an example of a sick person having to wait for a day when the clinic is free to get care. How is that ANY different. Well, it is actually. The difference being that we don't know what the person waiting until Saturday has, and we do know what people in Canada and Europe are waiting on.
I still suggest people watch these videos.
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Post by TMWight on Sept 6, 2009 11:20:04 GMT -5
The other day a nurse I was talking to said how she volunteers her time, and how she knows a doctor or two that on Saturdays turn their practice into a free clinic to serve those who do not have insurance. She said that they still get care and there is no reason to revamp the system... Just the fact that theses nurses and doctors volunteer their time speaks to our point. There would be no need for doctors to volunteer their time because everyone would have insurance and those people who would be going to the free-clinic wouldn't need to anymore. I think I've seen that nurse before by the way. She also wouldn't need to be there volunteering her time because hospital census would be lowered and they wouldn't have to need volunteer nurses. People without healthcare are also the ones walking around spreading diseases. If we don't give these people insurance then our country will face a pandemic. |
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Post by packerconvert on Sept 8, 2009 18:28:06 GMT -5
The other day a nurse I was talking to said how she volunteers her time, and how she knows a doctor or two that on Saturdays turn their practice into a free clinic to serve those who do not have insurance. She said that they still get care and there is no reason to revamp the system... Just the fact that theses nurses and doctors volunteer their time speaks to our point. There would be no need for doctors to volunteer their time because everyone would have insurance and those people who would be going to the free-clinic wouldn't need to anymore. I think I've seen that nurse before by the way. She also wouldn't need to be there volunteering her time because hospital census would be lowered and they wouldn't have to need volunteer nurses. People without healthcare are also the ones walking around spreading diseases. If we don't give these people insurance then our country will face a pandemic. I hope to God you are kidding. If everone has healthcare, you think these Doctors are going to have weekends off? Our system is not set up for Universal Healthcare. You dump a crap load more patients onto the existing delivery structure and you will find your own personal care sucking wind because Dr. Joe doesn't have the fricken time for you nor anyone else he sees for that matter. As an example of not having enough doctors and the type of care you can expect, take a look at the VA system. WOO HOO..makes me holla for Government Care!  |
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Post by thegreenmeanie on Sept 8, 2009 20:01:28 GMT -5
You mean gov regulation? You want to keep your plan, and your doctor you can. Someone else wants your doctor they can try to get them. Its not like the government is going to assign 100 people to one doctor and then put him on roller blades (whatever happened to those?) and send him on his way.
Talk about over exaggerating.
Also how do you know the system won't balance itself out? Maybe some of these doctors that work in the ER's can spend more time back at their practice or open one since you know... a crap load of the uninsured won't have to treat the ER like a doctor appointment anymore. TM and I both spent time working in a ER. He isn't kidding when he talks about people treating it like a doctors appointment. People actually having insurance and a doctor will reduce the ER over crowding a lot.
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Post by packerconvert on Sept 11, 2009 14:12:39 GMT -5
Ok..so i get to keep my doctor. Stupendous!
Um..he is open to taking on a hundred more. Cripes..when is he going to have time for me. Well I have to wait six weeks to get in since that is how long it will take with his new case load.
What? He's a great doctor and refuses to take on more patients? Where do these new patients with new insurance go for doctoring then?
I know....THE ER!
There is a shortage of primary physicians and specialist, especially urologist etc(bad for boomers)hence why we have doctors from India and South Korea working here. Some of them no doubt Muslim Extremist.
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Post by thegreenmeanie on Sept 14, 2009 17:24:44 GMT -5
Jesus Christ... Where are you going with this. You are now combining health care with Muslim extremist? We have doctors from other countries working here because American students are too busy dropping out, getting drunk, and getting into credit card debt. Your attacking of foreign people trying to make their lives better in countries that don't live the way we do on any level is disgusting. The fact that you have to tie them to radical Islam to make a bull crap argument on why you are afraid your doctor will now suck is pathetic.
THe ER overloading is happening NOW. Ask TM and I. We both worked/work in one. Your doctor won't be required to take on 100 new patients, because the Gov doesn't own the doctor, and the doctor doesn't work for the gov. Now... If people who also have your insurance plan, which I am assuming is a work related thing they can choose to go to that doctor if he will see them. Or they can choose to go to other doctors that the insurance will cover... wait... OMGZZZZZZ the insurance companies are the ones telling you which doctors you can go to? *bleeping* SOCIALISM!
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Post by packerconvert on Sept 14, 2009 18:50:10 GMT -5
A hundred percent of Islamic terrorist are Muslim.
Don't fight the facts!
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Post by TMWight on Sept 16, 2009 20:29:02 GMT -5
Watch Sicko.
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Post by mag7ue on Sept 16, 2009 22:37:29 GMT -5
People without healthcare are also the ones walking around spreading diseases. If we don't give these people insurance then our country will face a pandemic.Ha ha ha. What a statement. Scare tactics anyone? |
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Post by TMWight on Sept 17, 2009 11:14:28 GMT -5
Scare tactic? Proven fact my friend, people with the flu do not seek medical attention because they cannot afford the medical bill. When those same people become more and more sick then they finally seek help and go to the emergency room and expose more people. Those people that the host infect goes home and infects their children, then the kids go to school, expose all those children, then they go home and it's a big cycle. How do you think diseases spread dude? We're the only developed industrialized democracy that does not offer, dare I say it, socialized medicine.
Speaking of socializism - - do you like your police? do you like you fire departments? US Mail? Libraries? All socialist programs.
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