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Post by TW on Nov 27, 2015 13:13:48 GMT -5
Based on what I saw last night, against the Bears, this one should be easy to pick.
Lions 24
Packers 13
If people think things are bad now, wait to the wheels totally come off the offense.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 23:44:58 GMT -5
I think you're being generous. This will be a blowout.
Lions 34
Packers 10
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Post by happypacker on Nov 28, 2015 9:04:42 GMT -5
unless they make some sort of change before this game. I agree with you all, I sense the packers are reeling in self doubt and are not playing all out on offense.
Packers--17
lions----28
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Post by TW on Nov 28, 2015 12:01:34 GMT -5
I just can't believe a head coach in the NFL is stupid enough to believe that "schemes" aren't that important. If you listen to retired QBs, the schemes are the most important aspect from an offensive point of view, because it dictates which plays are capable of working against specific defensive sets. McCarthy? Nah! That don't matter. That's just plain stupid! You can't fix stupid. If you listen to retired defensive players, they'll tell you that it's little wrinkles that change offenses from one week to the next that gives them fits. Their "reads" are off because of them.
I hate to say this, yet it might be true - the best thing that could happen to the Packers at this point in the season is for them to lose the rest of their games, and get rid of this coaching staff. A coach who understands how important schemes are to game planning are the coaches that win in the NFL. At this point, I'd say the Packers have won a lot of games over the last decade because of the players, and despite the coaching staff holding them back.
After watching the Bears game for a second time, I can't believe that our receivers just stand around watching the game, while Rodgers tries to find someone who's working to get open. I damned near strangled my TV!
I haven't been this frustrated and angry with the Packers organization since the Sherman group sold the future for a chance at winning 9 to 10 games and a one and done in the playoffs. It's not Packer football!
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Post by happypacker on Nov 28, 2015 13:05:22 GMT -5
MM i also read stated (this shows how frustrated he is) he says the scheme for this week was a good one, the problem was the players did not perform to the scheme. the players he says were cutting routeds short instead of going (example) 10 yards and make the next move they went 12 yards and made the move thus letting Rodgers toss the ball low or short.
I noticed over the years some QBs. toss the ball where it was practiced and where the layer was schemed to be, and when they did not run it perfect he was off in his toss. favre in the other hand would see the player not reaching the practiced route and he would with his strong arm put the ball where the player is right then and now.
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Post by TW on Nov 28, 2015 18:45:32 GMT -5
Actually, I saw Rodgers having to throw the ball early on a lot of plays, so the receiver may well have been in the right area, but Rodgers saw the route shorter because of where the receiver was, when he made the toss. That's a lack of coaching, because they obviously didn't account for the pass rush that's been directed at Rodgers in the last few games. Good coaches would have seen that, and made it a point to shorten the routes at halftime. Oops! That don't happen with McC.
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Post by happypacker on Nov 29, 2015 8:33:33 GMT -5
they cannot get off the man blocks and that slows them down to get to the spot and yardage they are trained to get to in practice. and yes when the line cannot give Rodgers that half to one second he has been letting the ball go early but he should be able to put it where he sees the receiver I get what you say, he throws early the receiver for the most part has not reached the spot to which he is throwing the ball that would put it all on Rodgers, he sees where they are and if he is forced to toss to a certain spot he is missing then right? even like you mention, the receiver makes Rodgers still is playing hurt, so maybe more than we think? it to the spot, but Rodgers tosses early AND MISSES.
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Post by TW on Nov 29, 2015 13:04:19 GMT -5
I find it difficult believing that Rodgers is throwing short because he's misreading the defense. He's thrown to guys who are covered repeatedly over the years, because he knows where they'll be. The only way that would change is if the routes are changed by the coaching staff, and they don't account for reading things like a blitz, which was paramount in all the routes ran until our first loss. It was like they came out with a different mindset, and the routes were concise, and never impromptu, based on the defensive alignment.
Rodgers thrived on throwing to guys on the outside, back shoulder. But, now, the receivers aren't responding to this, as if they were told to continue on their route. Then there's the routes that end up nowhere, and they just stop, and allow themselves to be covered up. Rodgers can't even move around and find anyone open, because the receivers are standing there, watching the game! That old idea of working to get open isn't even part of the way they act on the field.
Whatever the problem, it's probably here to stay for a while. We can't say it's all because Nelson is injured,
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 13:39:50 GMT -5
I think our biggest problem is this team has no heart. The effort and intensity against the Bears was severely lacking. The Bears wanted that game and the Packers looked like they could care less. Rodgers is one of the rare Packers to looked ticked off and frustrated. Several looked like they didn't even want to be there.
A definite lack of leadership/coaching in my opinion
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Post by happypacker on Nov 30, 2015 13:49:06 GMT -5
he is not misreading the defense, he is looking at the spot where his players should be and they are not there. so he holds the ball or,,,,he throws where they are to be and then he is upset because they did not do there job better than the defense did there's on them
Or he throws the ball away. In any case, i do feel that what Sitton said is closer to the truth the offense is not fooling the defense at all, they know Rodgers first read and they know that going man to man effectively covers the receivers and Rodgers will not throw the ball. whatever, something is not right. One more thing if Rodgers cannot get his timing down after 4 preseason games and 11 regular games when will he?
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Post by TW on Nov 30, 2015 16:26:03 GMT -5
I'm also inclined to believe the players aren't where they should be on pass routes. Yet, when I looked at some of those short throws, they were actually thrown just short of the first down markers, so it;s difficult telling if Rodgers is off, or the receivers are off.
One thing I am certain of. The receivers "are not" coming back to the ball like they should.
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Post by happypacker on Dec 1, 2015 6:45:57 GMT -5
If he tosses short of a place first down mark, then that is all on Rodgers but the receiver still should try to come back make the catch and regain the first down. Lot tougher to move the ball though if the QB keeps tossing it in front of the schemed play and the first down line. I watched a video today that i never saw before, It showed Janis miss two easy practice catches, If he has been muffing up at the practice all the time i can now see why he does not get to play much. But still he seems to make the most of the tosses he does get when playing.
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