Surpreme Court Strikes Down Voting Rights Act

[nick20]

Well not all of it. specifically sections 4, and de facto section 5. Section 4 lists the states and cities that have to get federal ok to make any changes during an election, ie updating voter rolls, voting locationss etc. section 5 says the feds have to ok them in areas where discrimination was widespread prior to the passage of the act. Congress extended the Voting Rights act in 2006 for 25 years. me personally, its a horrible decision. while racism isnt as overt as it was before the act, its still there, by promoting things like, limited polling places, voter Id, forcing black and minority folks to wait in line for 6, 9 or 12 hours to vote. In my mind the solution is a single federal standard. ALL counties and states have to be cleared for changes, and all you should need to vote is a water bill or similar statement that carries your address on it.

[TW]

I'm anxious to see how this plays out. I don't trust the southern white Republicans.

[packerconvert]

That's a very minimal requirement you seek Nick: With my quickbooks accounting program and some creativity, I could make up several different bills and go voting 10-20 times, especially where you are open to having more polling places. I could and would vote a helluva lot more too; straight ticket for the Republicans!

If I were running the show, I would require a state approved ID card (the State would pay for those who can't afford $7.00 ) and pass a 12 grade reading comprension test before being allowed to vote.

If they failed the test, they'd need to dip their thumb in a red dye so everyone knew they were disqualified and too dumb to understand wot thar reedin'. This isn't discriminatory, this would be for all dumb%^&*%$s.

You may laugh at my suggestion, but look at what an 8th grade reading comprehension level has gotten this country: Presidenet Dronestrike.

I say no more.

[happypacker]

In Pa. all you need do for proper I.D. is go to the drivers lic place, and ask for a photo id for a no driver. I got one for my Mother years ago. to many peole complain about tiny little things when if all they need do is take a look around and solve the yelling themselves.

[packerconvert]

Jun 29, 2013 8:22:09 GMT -5 happypacker said:

In Pa. all you need do for proper I.D. is go to the drivers lic place, and ask for a photo id for a no driver. I got one for my Mother years ago. to many peole complain about tiny little things when if all they need do is take a look around and solve the yelling themselves.

Not according to the cell phone toting, two 42 inch teleivison in the home with DIRECT TV owning, malt liquor drinking, cigarette smoking poor who cry discrimination because they believe they can't afford a $7.00 ID and the libruls believe them.

[happypacker]

i agee, you dare not take away there ciggs, beer, or 12 dollar pizza! priorities yoy know!

[nick20]

it is a minimal requirement pc, its also all you need to vote in Wisconsin. and you wonder why Wisconsin has some of countries highest voter turnout and participation. something to be proud of for sure. voter id wont stop voter fraud, and in any event the number of people committing voter fraud in a given election is so small to be meaningless. instead of throwing up requirements, like having ID, the point should be to make it easier to vote, and prepare to accommodate more people voting.

[happypacker]

the most of the people are so laZY , YOU COULD NOT GET THEM TO TAKE THE TIME TO READ AND LEARN THE DIFFERENCE IN THE CANIDATES opinions to make a solid choice, then even if you went right to there doorstep they still would not vote.
just hook it up to the satilite dish and let them vote inbetween the commerical time of there shows.

[packerconvert]

Jun 30, 2013 0:03:35 GMT -5 nick20 said:

it is a minimal requirement pc, its also all you need to vote in Wisconsin. and you wonder why Wisconsin has some of countries highest voter turnout and participation. something to be proud of for sure. voter id wont stop voter fraud, and in any event the number of people committing voter fraud in a given election is so small to be meaningless. instead of throwing up requirements, like having ID, the point should be to make it easier to vote, and prepare to accommodate more people voting.

I totally disagree, the high voter turn out has been a detriment.

If you had people who were seriously vested in the process, learned about the candidates instead of being spoon fed red meat from their party headquarters and running political campaigns for 8th graders, we'd have a very different turn out in elections and the fabric of this nation.

We have idiots on both sides of the aisle in Congress, in the Presidency and, at least one on the Supreme Court, which was appointed by said idiot and confirmed by the other idiots in Congress.

Our government is a reflection of our society, there is no doubt about that.

[nick20]

I view the fact we can barely get half the population to vote as an abomination. how can we call ourselves the greatest democracy on earth, when half don't even vote? as for being informed, that falls on media being more into the infotainment business these days and doing the he said, she said bit on disagreements rather than presenting an evenhanded view on the information. yes you can get yourself informed, as I myself try to do before I vote. getting that knowledge out to voters and prospective voters is the trick. Changing the Supreme court imo, is one means of improving the lot of things in America, in particular overturning citizens united and Shelby vs holder. both of those decisions were of a very activist bent, disregarding decades of precedent and settled law. there is a reason corporations were barred from contributing to election in the Progressive era, became they ran states like Montana and Wisconsin as personal fiefdoms before that. and the citizens and leaders had enough of that and put forth reforms to give the people more of a say. those leaders believed it was up to the people to decide whether to recall politicians, for whatever reason the citizens wanted, or simply just because they had that ability. think of it as the political version of the ' lemon; law. if some dealership sells you a car that turns out to be a piece of junk, you can get your money back. the attempted recall of walker was the people exercising their right to force a recall, and its not like we had had several attempts to recalling our governors before this, he was the first in the states history to face one. that's not something to be proud of.if there is one tweak to the recall law i'd support, would be adding a yes-no question, like California has on their books, rather than just doing a do-over, you'd first see if a majority want to remove the governor, then vote in a new guy or girl on the lower section of the ballot if there was a majority. i'm a firm believer in getting as many to vote as possible, and making it as easy as possible.we have enough going on in our lives that we don't need to spend 10 hours in line waiting to exercise a right that so many have sacrificed for. get in, vote, then go about your business.

[packerconvert]

I don't even think it's 50 percent voter turn out nationally., which means less than a quarter of registered voters choose the future of this country which is hardly represenative government.

I also think banning Democrats from voting would go a long ways to restoring order in this nation.

[nick20]

tongue in cheek as always eh pc. its two party system, has been since the Jackson days, and even before that with Hamilton and Jefferson. the closets we've ever gotten to 3 major parties was the progressive party in the 1890s. I don't count the Bull Moose party since it was basically a platform for Roosevelt to flip Taft the finger, and they didn't run very many candidates for smaller offices. we do have other party on the ballot but rare is the case where they get above 1% trying to ban the republicans or democrats from exercising their rights to stand for office would be a flagrant violation of the first amendment. I would rather have a uniform standard for federal elections, and a ban on gerrymandering, so the parts cant screw with each other. then you'd get a better glance at how things stand nationally. most sates do winner take all, which imo is fine. its tradition. trying to do things by district would make things needlessly complicated. also as previously stated the number of house reps should increase with population as it did until congress capped it in the 1920s. when they did the population was less than 100 million, we have three times that now. lets say the number rises to 500, or one rep for every 600k americans. it would be hard to imagine things getting any worse than they are now..

[happypacker]

Just to try and help.. this Country has the lowest % of voter turn out of all the major sized free coun tries. France has over 80%, Germany is in the 70% even Italy is higher than the USA. we are about an average of 67% i think. and the primarys where you vote party and elect the person in each party to run for the jobs has the LOWEST TURNOUT IN ANY COUNTRY, some states are as low as 18%. the ave is 32%. that really stinks. I agree, get as many people to vote as possible. (one person wrotew and said, if you get all the people who have voted thaey are the ones who care less and nevewr vote with wisdom but would just cast a vote, that being said if they were the majority, they would elect the worst people)
But i think, myself if they take the privelge to vote they would at least look into the canidates a little. maybe not ) anyway, I have for over 35 years written and spoke about people to come out and vote, everything we have tried has failed in my district. i will; not give up but it is getting worse with every youth movement that gets to the legal age to vote.

[nick20]

well the youngest you can vote is 18, once that was added in I believe 72, turnout dropped. the youth don't come out in high numbers, compared to other age segments, youth votes make up less than 20%. the highest turnout percentage we ever got as a country was 78% back in 1876. many countries with high turnout have voting as mandatory, if you don't vote you get fined. frankly I think that's something we should look into. make election day a federal holiday so work isn't an excuse for not voting.

[happypacker]

the number one excuse for not voting in this country,,,, my one vote does not make a difference.