Praise from the Democrat's Homeland.

[packerconvert]

You're not listening. The days of borders are fast evaporating. China already controls northeast Russia through land contracts and Chinese immigration. EU is a form of this interdependence as well.

Creating interdependence between nations is the New World Order.

[happypacker]

the new world order? oh that,, and please tell me who is behind this ? is it the average working person,? or is it the WEALTHY, greedy power hunger business people from all over the world, who would make it work, if they were not so busy eliminating there very own kind, to be top dog. you got that right this time. the new world order is run by the masses of hard working people. oh no, the rich have something to do with this? why? are they tryinn gto make just the few rich and the rest dirt poor and owing there very lifes to the rich to just exsist?

[packerconvert]

I am not talking about the "New World Order" and I understand how such usage of the statement can confuse someone new to the discussion.

More in, I am talking about a new re-ordering of the world wherein borders are evaporating, and yes, done so by hard working people. It takes someone to live in the northeast part of Russia etc.

Prime Minister David Cameron of England gave a talk once about the evolution of power through disappearance of the Centralized state in favor of said power being transferred to the people through social media etc. You can see this in part happening through the Arab Spring etc and it will continue to grow.

Anywho, you're starting sound like a broken record with your greedy CEO schtick. Go read another Wall Street Journal article, do your studies on what is being discussed and report back to the forum.

Thank you.

[TW]

You should take another look at world history. No government ran by an aristocracy that felt they owned everything and everyone, has ever succeeded to exist in the modern era.

Of course, the Republican move towards reducing the education level of people is intended to dumb people up to accept that new world order of Fascism that you're seeming to support.

[packerconvert]

Who the f&^% is talking about Aristocracies?

Who the f%$# is talking about Republicans and the education system?

You'd better slow down on that egg nog and get relevant.

[TW]

The Republican platform included massive cuts to education. That's called "dumbing down." A ploy used by governments that wish to merge the industrial/business complex with state. A prime example was the Nazis, who took over education, and eventually turned the schools into propaganda mills, where most of what was taught was intent on creating people of the state who would work for the state/industrial complex. The industry of Germany was part of the equation, just like it was in Italy.

You finally read about the attempt by Lindbergh and others of great wealth to overthrow our own government back in the early 30s. Their movement, look at it carefully, was premised on the same principles you're pushing as "radically new ideas" for a freer society. It's all bull crap!

This idea that the military, or police forces, in the US, would turn against the people at the bidding of someone in the White House is just plain ignorance of military & quasi-military in the US. It cannot happen, and will not happen. Only a conspiracy nut would even harbor the slightest belief it could!

[packerconvert]

Hardly the same idea because Nazism etc. was premised on a strong, central government.

You lose ,$2,500 on the double jeopardy question because I said, THE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT WOULD DISAPPEAR under the David Cameron post which would pretty much undermine your propaganda mill bull crap.

Native Americans, African Americans and Japanese-Americans; to start with, would disagree with your final statement.

[TW]

It's interesting that you would single out those that have been mistreated over the years as a stepping stone to say it was a mistake, while making an obvious decision to actually reduce the role of minorities in the US as of today to that of nothing more than a servant of those who are wealthy. Like the old movie comment, from American Indians; "Pale face speak with forked tongue!"

Reductions in education breeds ignorance. Keep the people ignorant. If they are, they won't be able to see that their lot in life should be better. That's the real credo of the right wing "handlers," at the top.

This harangue against our "central government," and trying to compare it to what has happened, and disintegrated within EU is not even a viable comparison.

What puzzles me most is how many conspiracy theory nuts there really are out here. It seems to permeat the smaller states, and turns the people into automatons against the very hand that feeds them. Anyone who believes that states like Wyoming, the Dakotas, Montana, etal...., actually pay enough federal taxes to account for the "welfare program" handed back to them by the Fed is really mathematically challenged. If the money didn't go back to them, these states would be reduced to wastelands. They would have nothing but dirt roads, no infrastructure of value, and little or no education.

The thing that concerns me most is the influence of big business in all levels of government. Republicans licking the boots of the wealthy is all I see.

[packerconvert]

You're starting to go all over the map here, so I will try and address each and every random charge you've thrown into the kettle.

It's interesting that you would single out those that have been mistreated over the years as a stepping stone to say it was a mistake, while making an obvious decision to actually reduce the role of minorities in the US as of today to that of nothing more than a servant of those who are wealthy. Like the old movie comment, from American Indians; "Pale face speak with forked tongue!"

Its hypocritical to support the forced resettlement of minorities than gripe about the consequences of those with free will coming to this nation illegally.

Reductions in education breeds ignorance. Keep the people ignorant. If they are, they won't be able to see that their lot in life should be better. That's the real credo of the right wing "handlers," at the top.

The money pumped into education since the 1970's has skyrocketed, yet test scores have flat-lined. What you call a "reduction in education" is actually a demand for accountability by the taxpayer of those educating our children and asking for renewed thinking instead of the typical mantra of lazy thinking liberals of, "spend more money, it'll get better." Why is it charter schools are so successful? They are successful because if they don't produce educated kids, they lose their consumers and they close. Public schools. Meh..more money. P.S. The ignorance is already bred by the current system. Have you heard what's coming out of the mouths of babes?


This harangue against our "central government," and trying to compare it to what has happened, and disintegrated within EU is not even a viable comparison.

This is simple. US in debt up to its eyeballs. EU in debt up to its eyeballs. Why? Overspending. Why? Failing Nannystates.

What puzzles me most is how many conspiracy theory nuts there really are out here. It seems to permeat the smaller states, and turns the people into automatons against the very hand that feeds them. Anyone who believes that states like Wyoming, the Dakotas, Montana, etal...., actually pay enough federal taxes to account for the "welfare program" handed back to them by the Fed is really mathematically challenged. If the money didn't go back to them, these states would be reduced to wastelands. They would have nothing but dirt roads, no infrastructure of value, and little or no education.

As part of that welfare that you speak of, that includes payments to the Indian Nations. Typical that whitey would gripe about keeping his Treaty commitments. If you minus those payments out, the investment back into the state by the Feds is commensurate, if not lower, than most states.

I would also add that reservations are a microcosm of failed Nanny states. The "free" money (as whitey likes to call it )pumped into these areas for healthcare, infrastructure, food subsidies, education including college have had dismal results. High unemployment, high suicide rates, absolute poverty. The American Indian has had the pride and ability for self-preservation driven right out of them by the Great White Father. Its been a perplexing problem to keep Treaty commitments while striving to build community identity, but ultimately, it is something for the Indian Nations to figure out and whitey needs to step back and let them.

The thing that concerns me most is the influence of big business in all levels of government. Republicans licking the boots of the wealthy is all I see.

This is the part where you expect ignorants that are being cultivated by the education system you support to salute and praise your grand intellect because Democrats are never influenced by big business in all levels of government.

If you'd be honest with everyone, big money in the form of big business and Unions are the core of this nations' ill. Special interest have their hand in the pot while not looking out for the nation as a whole. They get what they want and walk away leaving the taxpayer paying the bill.

[happypacker]

today, the world has grown smaller because of high tech. the world is more crowded and people must go somewhere. i just do not buy your babble about certain things, you have an excuse for everyhing.
the bottom line on education is the ability to learn the latest skills and basics are right there for the students, all of them. the classes are decent size, the tech. is implamented. the teachers are no worse than 50 years ago, even better really, because they not only must teach the subject but be in tune with the mind set of eachkid( i mean , who else will guide them the majority of todays parents do not) I have all to often seen the students with there PC. I--Pad not doing class assignments or home work but playing these downgrading games. they are great for PC skill. but they only teach about .hate, death, sex,or somebody not letting them have there right to free, makes me sick to hear them. no wonder so many kids have a huge lack of skills just to talk back and forth. check out the type of language they speak when texting or e-mailing and just listen to the junk mouths.
No it is the Parents and the way society is letting this world go to hell.
they took God, any GOd out of the 1 min in the morning, shows a difference , and it is not a positive one, they have no rspect for the American Flag, because we have our freedom rights, I bet you don't even know the Pledge? I am what people call a baby boomer, and when in school we had ,,Yes even way back then children who family did not beleive in a God, but we were taught to repect there right , and so were they they would sit and not go along with the i min prayer out of respect the same way back, today it is all about the cry babies getting what they want even though they might be the minority. same thing with the Flag, stand, and not speak if you hate the country so bad that is giving you a better life than if you went almost anywhere else.
Failure, not in the offering of structure from the Governmewnt, but by the people themselves who are to busy NOT RASING THE CHILD OF THE FURTURE CORRECTLY.
everything is given and nothing is work for it before you recieve.

who over spends? the big business? the ones who fail, file chapter 11, give the boss and board the whole cuboard? millions of dollars.? them?
i just came back from shopping and the cashier had no clue on what to give me back as change, she had to wait for the register and hope then that is can even count, depressing.

[packerconvert]

I tend to think the stuff you shovel is "babble." None of it's backed up and only conjecture. The graph below backs up my statements with facts and clearly shows your comment that the education system today is better than 50 years ago to be false.

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[TW]

Better education does not mean it's advanced like it has in the rest of the world, when it comes to the sciences that end up creating products/jobs, and futures.

When you're around 24 or 25 in the world, in education, it proves you've slipped a long way.

That's the figure that matters. You can spout about how we teach more computer science today in school than we did 100 years ago, and it means nothing. It's comparing something completely different from that era than today.

If you can't see why we're slipping as a world power, you're missing it. We have product builders who would prefer getting that product overseas than here, because there is cheaper labor available. It's pretty simple if you care to really look at it. They don't give a d**n if Americans are educated, just that they buy their import products.

[packerconvert]

This society no longer prides itself on accomplishment. In fact, I'd suggest this country is resting on its laurels while many countries are doing a fine job of ketchup.

I also agree on your latter statement.

No disrespect to happypacker, but if you go to any Walmart, you seriously risk losing IQ points.

[happypacker]

thanks for a graph that showed nothing!!
speading is more why?
do you think these things out?
i will give you just three fast reasons.
cost of living goes up each year
population has doubled
private business is opening more colleges and communnity schools, and colloges are more money or over cost for sports not a base education.
reading and math skills number are very close,

BUT,,,
if YOU READ WHAT I SAID, THE EDUCATIONAL TOOLS ARE THERE, JUST THAT THE PARENTS AND SOCIETY ARE NOT GIVING THE KIDS THE EDUCATION. kIDS TODAY, THAT REALLY DID STUDY AND GOT GOOD GRADES, DO INDEED KNOW MORE THAN THE KIDS FROM THE 70'S OR LATER, JUST BY PURE NEW TECH THAT THEY HAVE OVER THE PAST.
It is just a shame that the Parents and the overall way children are raised is not up to par with many or most families.

That is what i have been saying, to many kids today never put forth an effort to learn just the basics, I know my child is 15 now, and i have in in a private school and she have straight 'A" why? i help and guide her, and she knows she must study and learn to be able to life well in todays world.
I go to banks, and they must relay on the PC in front of them. I go to tellers and they give me more money when i ask themto chage , break down a large bill. it is pitiful
No disrespect , but your graph shows little, and like i said before, you are using the wrong sites for solid information. Just go out into the world and you can see the real thing.

[TW]

That's not necessarily true. What you're saying is that well to do white people, who can afford to send their kids to wonderful schools, have wonderful things, and associate with the pretty white people can have a wonderful life.

We're back to that old situation of where you were raised. When you've been raised in a lily white society where the police actually deal with barking dog issues, we're talking a pretty much crime free environment.

When I was a kid, there were absolutely no illegal drugs in our high school, while 20 miles away, there were kids doing marijuana, in another school. In our school, had anyone brought them in, they would have been beaten severely by everyone else. In the other school, if anyone had objected to them being there, they would have been the ones beaten.

Funny part is, the only difference was the size of the communities that made the difference. We were a smaller community, therefore more conservative.

So, until you point out something more than your own experience, from white central USA, you're speaking only from personal perspectives, not a view of what's out there in the real world.

My views and opinions changed dramatically as a cop, when I saw the darker side of what happens due to peer pressure, low income, and low self esteem, which creates contempt for those who hold you back.

The strong conservative view of today is purely racist. It certainly isn't Christian, no matter what they claim.