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Post by packerconvert on Aug 20, 2012 19:16:50 GMT -5
Despite having no horses, the water and sewerage department for the city of Detroit employs a horseshoer. Yet even with a department so bloated that it has a horseshoer and no horses, the local union president said it is "not possible" to eliminate positions. www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/17404And Union's wonder why they are under attack.  |
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Post by TW on Aug 20, 2012 23:00:55 GMT -5
Yeah. That's it. This one position signifies everything wrong with unions.
The fact remains, had there not been unions formed in this country, almost every one of us would have been nothing more than boot blacks for the wealthy.
At least we had a fighting chance because they questioned the right of the wealthy industrialists to treat people like cattle!
But, you've forgotten that fact I guess.
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Post by happypacker on Aug 21, 2012 6:00:04 GMT -5
Like the thing you support does nothing that could be questioned? your perfect?
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Post by packerconvert on Aug 21, 2012 18:12:36 GMT -5
Like the thing you support does nothing that could be questioned? your perfect? Rugged indvidiualism is perfection. Oh yes, TW, its only this one thing that the Union has ever done wrong to set themselves above the rest of the blue collar workers. |
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Post by TW on Aug 21, 2012 18:17:40 GMT -5
No doubt about it, there has been corruption in unions. No doubt about it, without unions, the average American worker would be little more than a slave. It's what started the union movements in the first place.
If you want unions to be tamed, you have to insure workers are treated fairly within the workplace.
If you look at many states, workers rights are nearly gone.
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Post by packerconvert on Aug 21, 2012 18:58:48 GMT -5
No doubt about it, there has been corruption in unions. No doubt about it, without unions, the average American worker would be little more than a slave. It's what started the union movements in the first place. If you want unions to be tamed, you have to insure workers are treated fairly within the workplace. If you look at many states, workers rights are nearly gone. They're nearly gone if you equate the loss of Union influence with worker's rights, which is wrong-headed thinking. Modern day Unions are irrlevant when it comes to protecting workers'r rights because those rights are codified. Unions would be wise to maintain awareness of workers rights intstead of running companies into bankruptcy or off shore and financially raping taxpayers to set themselves above the majority of blue collar workers. |
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Post by TW on Aug 21, 2012 19:39:35 GMT -5
Not true. Take a look at what's happened around the US. Workmen's Compensation is disappearing, along with the rights of the workers.
In Illinois, as our old friend, and Congressman once told my wife, "The rights of workers in Illinois can be written on the head of a match."
Since then, they even went to the point of dismantling the laws that did exist, in favor of pure litigation, which is nothing more than a way for attorneys on the side of insurance companies, and supposedly working for the worker, share a few bucks, and the guy who got hurt gets zip.
It's that way in a lot of states now, and is getting worse.
You don't really know the full scope of unions. If you did, you wouldn't be totally against them. There are some that have, and still continue to be of real value to workers.
As far as what you see now in places like the teachers, go back about 50 years to when teachers were getting screwed big time, and they banded together to protect themselves. They were treated like crap, and fought back.
You're only seeing the union from what is in front of your nose today. You have no idea what the root really was, obviously.
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Post by packerconvert on Aug 22, 2012 17:04:32 GMT -5
I will concede there are some unions that still have value.
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