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Post by packerconvert on Jul 31, 2012 18:43:00 GMT -5
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Post by happypacker on Jul 31, 2012 19:26:09 GMT -5
no, it was the boat that brought them over to North America, it is the boats that are responsible!!
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Post by packerconvert on Jul 31, 2012 20:20:55 GMT -5
Once again, I'll have to disagree with you. It was the water that carried the boats.
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Post by TW on Jul 31, 2012 20:23:56 GMT -5
I'm not certain how Obama's family is responsible for bringing slavery to the US. It sounds like his family was one of the first to face being slaves.
How can you miss that in your statement?
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Post by packerconvert on Aug 1, 2012 18:24:37 GMT -5
Do you not read?
Punch tried running away from indentured servitude( this means his way was paid to America in exchange for "x" number of years of labor) so was punshed by being enslaved for life.
His crime, as stated in the article, was the precedent that gave rise to slavery in this nation.
Had he not run away, slavery probably never would have been introduced to America.
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Post by TW on Aug 1, 2012 21:06:45 GMT -5
You might want to check as to why he ran away. It was an interesting era, where they brought indentured servants to America to handle such tasks as gathering indigo.
The life expectancy of someone working in that area was less than three years. Running away was usually the only option that was available, unless you wanted to die.
The agreements of indenture included giving the indentured servant 40 acres of land, a horse, and seed, upon completion of servitude.
To avoid paying that fee to these people, their "owner" would sell them into service for indigo, knowing full well they wouldn't survive to collect their freedom rights.
It wasn't a good era. I wrote a manuscript on that era, and the research on the conditions was something to make you sick.
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Post by packerconvert on Aug 2, 2012 15:27:24 GMT -5
Then you would agree that during that era, blacks were very much equal to whites in all facets to land ownership etc and the King of England saw to it that land rights were honored despite the color of a man.
American history has it so skewed that black men in America were never free. They were just as free as any man in America during those early times, then America happened and the Indians took off running never able to outrun the white man and his boomstick and the plantation owners purchased African slaves sold to them by their African brothers.
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Post by TW on Aug 2, 2012 15:52:55 GMT -5
No. Blacks were not equal to whites. The usage of slaves was already considered acceptable. The words "indentured servant" was used to displace the word slave. What wasn't told to these "indentured servants" was the fact that their years of servitude would end in a death sentence. The death toll, amongst those working in harvesting indigo, was over 40% yearly. What better way to harvest a valuable crop, and at the same time, save the money associated with eventually freeing them. As for the reason Punch was actually forced into lifetime servitude, the statements about his attempting to escape is pretty much a joke. There are indications the biggest crime he committed was not being a Christian, and refusing to become a Christian, and in the 1620s that was a major crime according to the rulers of what was truly religious colonial beginnings. It's amazing what people did to secure servants. They made promises then didn't keep them. They even went to the point of considering indentured servants and slaves as chattel, not human. This is a matter near and dear to my heart. Something I have put as much as 8,000 hours of study into, including research in the Library of Congress, and documentation searches. www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part1/1p263.htmlwww.colonial-america.info/slave-plantations.htm |
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Post by packerconvert on Aug 2, 2012 18:27:57 GMT -5
The point I am trying to make is if you would go to any American and ask them if blacks owned land in America during the 1600's, they would all say, "no" and say all blacks were slaves.
I read a book about how the protecting of property etc was the best way to protect equality among the different races and gave examples of how land owning blacks who felt they were wronged in the early settlements before America was America would go to the King and the King would side with their grievance because the protection of property was paramount.
No doubt slavery was rampant and detrimental to a culture rich in spirtualism. Its a sad commentary on the founding of this country which echoes its heartache and disappointment in today's society.
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Post by TW on Aug 2, 2012 18:42:08 GMT -5
If you research the issue deeply, you'll see that the way the early colonists made it "acceptable" was by claiming that these black people weren't Christian, therefore not human. They were cattle to them.
But, the whole thing real started in the Indies, when wealthy Brits turned that into a slave country, and found it worked so well, they'd do the same, on the American continent. What better way to work a person indecent hours, pay them little or nothing, and rake in the fantastic profits for all of it.
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Post by packerconvert on Aug 2, 2012 18:44:45 GMT -5
The Christian religion has many demons to atone for as well.
A lot of this history and truth is buried.
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Post by TW on Aug 3, 2012 6:28:37 GMT -5
We just have to face the history of mankind as being what it was, and make sure that we never revisit the sins of the past, considering them acceptable. We can't change what happened.
Last night, my wife and I watched Gabby Douglas win the Olympic gold medal as the world's best overall gymnast.
To us, we felt pride in her, as an American, and were so happy for her, and the American team.
This morning, I turned on CNN, to hear them talk about her being the first African/American to win the all-around, and a discussion on how it's important to blacks. Then they went on and talked about her hair, which was pulled back in a pony-tail/bun, which isn't a "natural" hair do.
Not once did they mention how talented she was. Just that she was black.
Last night, Gabby Douglas won the gold medal because she was the best damned gymnast in the world. It had nothing to do with race. If anything, it pointed out that the judges around the world did not judge her on race, but on talent.
To me, that should be the message that people should see. She's good, and deserves the recognition, and still would, if she was purple.
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