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Post by amoeba15 on Jul 19, 2012 13:25:00 GMT -5
Americans have spoken. PC and Republicans LOVED telling Americans how MOST of Americans were against Obamacare and how Democrats should abide by the WILL of the people. Well, NOW, MOST Americans want Romney to release additional tax returns.  A majority of Americans, including almost a third of Republicans, say GOP presidential contender Mitt Romney should release more tax returns than the two years he has promised to disclose, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds. Those surveyed are divided on whether the likely Republican nominee is trying to hide anything. While 42% predict the release of additional returns would not reveal anything politically harmful, 44% believe it would include damaging information — including 15% who say they believe the revelations would be so serious that they would "show he is unfit to be president.""Public release of your tax returns is the only way the American people can know if they can trust your judgment, perspective and motivations," said the mayors' letter, signed by mayors from Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, San Antonio, Charlotte, Minneapolis and elsewhere.In the poll, those surveyed: • Agree by a substantial margin of 17 percentage points that Romney in particular should release more than two years of returns. By 54%-37%, they say Romney should release tax returns from additional years. Those calling for more disclosure include 75% of Democrats, 53% of independents and 30% of Republicans.www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-07-19/romney-gallup-poll-tax-returns/56333412/1?csp=34news |
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Post by TW on Jul 19, 2012 14:31:27 GMT -5
I don't think he needs to release more. It's his option. As I've said before, people can draw their own conclusions as to why he won't.
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Post by amoeba15 on Jul 19, 2012 14:45:04 GMT -5
True, however..in the meantime, Obama is playing 'the hand is quicker then the eye' game by diverting attention from issues that might hurt Obama.  |
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Post by happypacker on Jul 19, 2012 16:24:52 GMT -5
if he was so good at hiding money all over outside the country, i am sure his tax returns no matter how far back can be shown to look different to what people want,,, i really care less about his filings. I listened to him speak,,,that is far enough evidence to conclude that he will never get my vote.
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Post by packerconvert on Jul 19, 2012 18:50:28 GMT -5
if he was so good at hiding money all over outside the country, i am sure his tax returns no matter how far back can be shown to look different to what people want,,, i really care less about his filings. I listened to him speak,,,that is far enough evidence to conclude that he will never get my vote. Doubt you'll vote for anyone this election cycle, the Muslim Brotherhood isn't running a candidate. Oh wait. Doh! |
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Post by amoeba15 on Jul 20, 2012 9:53:08 GMT -5
I wonder how Romney looks in prison stripes and from BEHIND bars. Incredible how Republicans LOVE to support and defend CRIMINALS.  Very IMPORTANT reasons why Romney should be FORCED by federal authorities to release his tax returns. Romney contends that he ceased actively managing Bain in February 1999 when he joined the Olympics organization. As a candidate for president, he filed a Public Financial Disclosure Report with the federal Government Ethics Office stating that "Mr. Romney retired from Bain Capital on February 11, 1999, to head the Salt Lake Organizing Committee. Since February 11, 1999, Mr. Romney has not had any active role with any Bain Capital entity and has not been involved in the operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way." As we learned last week, documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission contradict this statement.Some of these documents were Schedule 13D reports, required to be filed pursuant to the Williams Act whenever any person or group acquires 5% or more of the stock of any public company. The purpose of such reports is to notify the securities markets of a possible change in control of a public company.For example, a Schedule 13D for Odwalla Inc., filed May 2, 2000, covers the acquisition of 32.7% of the shares of Odwalla by Bain Capital Partners VI and related entities. Bain Capital Partners VI (BCI VI) was one of many investment vehicles managed by Bain Capital Inc. (BCI). The Odwalla 13D Schedule represents that W. Mitt Romney is chief executive officer, president and managing director of BCI VI and his principal occupation is "Managing Director of Bain Capital, Inc." Similarly, a Schedule 13D for Stericycle Inc., filed November 22, 1999, by various Bain Capital entities and Romney as an individual states that Romney is "the sole shareholder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President of BCI, BCI VI Inc., Brookside and Sankaty, Ltd." Elsewhere in this document, Romney is described as " sole stockholder, sole director, Chief Executive Officer, Managing Director, Chairman and President of BCI." A proxy statement for 2000 filed by Stericycle several months later indicates that the Bain entities, together with Romney, owned more than 11% of the shares of Stericycle and that Romney had the power to vote and dispose of these shares. At the next annual meeting, a Bain representative was nominated to the Stericycle board. The contradictory representations in the Government Ethics Office and SEC filings are at best evasive and at worst a violation of federal law. A federal statute -- 18 U.S.C. § 1001 -- provides that anyone who "in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully -- (1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact; (2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation" shall be fined or imprisoned. Violations of federal securities laws, including the making of false statements in a 13D filing, are independently punishable under the securities laws.Although prosecutions for false statements in 13D filings are not common, Michael Milken, the junk bond king, was prosecuted by Rudy Giuliani, and went to jail for aiding and abetting a false Schedule 13D filing by Ivan Boesky. (This was a plea bargain in a complex and controversial case, involving charges of numerous securities law violations.) Romney is not now claiming his 13D filings were inaccurate or false, but he is claiming that although he was chief executive officer, managing director, chairman and president of Bain Capital, he was not really there, but in Utah managing the Winter Olympics. Nevertheless, he was earning more than $100,000 in salary from Bain. Since he will not release his income tax returns for 1999-2002, we have no idea how high this salary really was.If Romney was not "involved" in the operations of Bain Capital, why was he being paid? As sole shareholder, why did he keep himself on as CEO? Also, at least with respect to the Stericycle deal, he invested as an individual along with the Bain entities. Why is Romney's story about his relationship to Bain and its investment activities at odds with the documents his firm filed? But the CEO, sole director and sole shareholder of an entity is legally responsible, and should be held accountable, for any wrongdoing or questionable activities of the company he heads. If Romney wants the American public to judge him by his business successes, we also need to judge him by his business failures and see the entire record of his financial dealings.www.cnn.com/2012/07/20/opinion/karmel-romney-bain/index.html |
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Post by TW on Jul 20, 2012 9:56:05 GMT -5
He could have been the CEO without actively handling matters with the company. It's nothing new.
It doesn't matter. The majority of Americans don't want to hear about Bain in terms of specific, just what Bain did, and how he was instrumental in developing the business acumen they've had.
People might also want to know that Bain alumni have contributed $4.5 million to the Romney campaign fund.
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Post by amoeba15 on Jul 20, 2012 9:58:25 GMT -5
He could have been the CEO without actively handling matters with the company. It's nothing new. It doesn't matter. The majority of Americans don't want to hear about Bain in terms of specific, just what Bain did, and how he was instrumental in developing the business acumen they've had. People might also want to know that Bain alumni have contributed $4.5 million to the Romney campaign fund. Romney is not now claiming his 13D filings were inaccurate or false, but he is claiming that although he was chief executive officer, managing director, chairman and president of Bain Capital, he was not really there, but in Utah managing the Winter Olympics. Nevertheless, he was earning more than $100,000 in salary from Bain. Since he will not release his income tax returns for 1999-2002, we have no idea how high this salary really was. If Romney was not "involved" in the operations of Bain Capital, why was he being paid? As sole shareholder, why did he keep himself on as CEO? Also, at least with respect to the Stericycle deal, he invested as an individual along with the Bain entities. Why is Romney's story about his relationship to Bain and its investment activities at odds with the documents his firm filed? But the CEO, sole director and sole shareholder of an entity is legally responsible, and should be held accountable, for any wrongdoing or questionable activities of the company he heads. If Romney wants the American public to judge him by his business successes, we also need to judge him by his business failures and see the entire record of his financial dealings. www.cnn.com/2012/07/20/opinion/karmel-romney-bain/index.html |
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Post by TW on Jul 20, 2012 11:08:06 GMT -5
If this is the direction the Democrats go, with Bain being the cornerstone of their "attacks," and offering no substance as to what they will do if they lead the nation, they've lost.
The Bain bit is just plain overstated.
But, so be it. If that rings your bell, and that's all you've got, watch people run to the right, because they will.
Substance, not BS please! And what's that platform?
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Post by amoeba15 on Jul 20, 2012 11:19:08 GMT -5
If this is the direction the Democrats go, with Bain being the cornerstone of their "attacks," and offering no substance as to what they will do if they lead the nation, they've lost. The Bain bit is just plain overstated. But, so be it. If that rings your bell, and that's all you've got, watch people run to the right, because they will. Substance, not BS please! And what's that platform? And..Republicans have been running this type of campaign and catching up..for how long? Very few Americans still believe in the issues, as a reason to support a candidate. Instead, it is like watching a sporting event or soap opera and everybody is cheering for the person who responds with the most rhetoric, BS and insulting attacks. WHY do you think that the Tea Party and Republicans are continuing to win support for being obstructionists and stopping Obama from achieving some of his goals? Why aren't Republican goals, strategies and ideas being motivated and encouraged? The bottom line..HATE..has overtaken this election and substance, truth, justice, compromise, best interests of the US NO LONGER MATTERS. MONEY, GREED, POWER, CONTROL, BEING IN CHARGE AND CALLING THE SHOTS..EVEN IF IT MEANS ALLOWING THE USA TO FALL INTO THE HANDS OF ANOTHER COUNTRY, LIKE CHINA, IS PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE TO THOSE WHO ARE RUNNING THINGS.  |
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Post by amoeba15 on Jul 20, 2012 11:52:17 GMT -5
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Post by TW on Jul 20, 2012 12:08:24 GMT -5
Regardless of the figures on whether or not he should release more returns, the only figures that matter are the levels of overall preference, and I'd bet the Bain *& tax returns flap hasn't moved the opinion polls more than one point.
That certainly won't sway voters.
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Post by amoeba15 on Jul 20, 2012 12:28:04 GMT -5
Regardless of the figures on whether or not he should release more returns, the only figures that matter are the levels of overall preference, and I'd bet the Bain *& tax returns flap hasn't moved the opinion polls more than one point. That certainly won't sway voters. Meanwhile, Mr. Romney may find it harder to claim the moral high ground when the details of what Bain did are murky — and Mr. Romney does not seem inclined to shed light on them, like by releasing more years of his tax returns. In other words, Mr. Romney has in some ways begun to ignore his pollsters’ advice. Instead of being more forthright in his defense of Bain’s activities — a strategy that seemed to be roughly achieving a draw in the public’s eyes — he has been in damage-control mode, and has not necessarily been adroit at it. That means it’s at least worth watching the polls over the next couple of weeks to see whether the attacks become more damaging going forward.For the reasons I cited before — relatively few members of the public are “persuadable,” and they have many other matters to evaluate along with Bain Capital — it would be an upset if there were a huge swing in the polls. There may well not be any measurable change at all. But if Mr. Romney does begin to run 4 or 5 points behind Mr. Obama in the polls — rather than zero to 3 points behind, as he has in recent weeks — that would be a sign that his strategy has backfired.fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/17/is-romney-overreacting-to-bain-attacks/ |
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Post by TW on Jul 20, 2012 12:49:18 GMT -5
You forgot to put in the plus or minus on the poll. It's possible nothing has changed.
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Post by amoeba15 on Jul 20, 2012 13:47:27 GMT -5
You forgot to put in the plus or minus on the poll. It's possible nothing has changed. True. However, it’s at least worth watching the polls over the next couple of weeks to see whether the attacks become more damaging going forward. |
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