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Post by packerconvert on Jul 15, 2012 9:56:44 GMT -5
If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. - Prezzi of the United Stezzi - Barack Obama - Virginia - Roanoke VA - July 14, 2012 No one else made that happen. Yes, there are those who inspire, but I dont' see their happy asses taking the financial risk or enduring the high stress of long hours to make a vision happen. Most opt for 8 hours and a time clock. Clearly, President Obama doesn't understand who and what built this nation. It's like saying the English Monarchy built America.  What a buffoon. 
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Post by TW on Jul 15, 2012 10:08:15 GMT -5
His statement seems pretty much straight forward. How many businesses are built by one person, and don't involve anyone else?
His statement encompassed people that worked for the entrepeneur, and the customers that made the business grow into a successful entity.
I think the statement is factual. Nobody does it alone, without others, in one way or another.
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Post by packerconvert on Jul 15, 2012 10:17:04 GMT -5
I totally disagree and I do take these comments of his peronal as there were days after days and nights after nights that I struggled with no one to aid me or sooth me.
You are right. There are employees involved, so when you say, "They didn't build it themselves," you are right, but that is also a very elementary understanding of what goes into buidling a vision.
How did the business get employees? How did the business get customers? Who gets the calls when the cash flow is slow? Who doesn't get paid while the employees do?
I understand his context of having influences that inspire, but ultimately when you go to start a business it is you and only you that carries ALL of the responsibilities, ALL of the risks, ALL of the Stress, etc.
I really do think it was a flippant remark because he simply cannot identify with what is required to own and run a business.
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Post by packerconvert on Jul 15, 2012 10:30:03 GMT -5
I might ad that we can debate the denotative and conotative intepretations of what goes into creating and building a business...yet those 14 words he uttered were videotaped and they will be looped across America in several Romney Ads.
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Post by happypacker on Jul 15, 2012 10:58:20 GMT -5
I totally disagree and I do take these comments of his peronal as there were days after days and nights after nights that I struggled with no one to aid me or sooth me. You are right. There are employees involved, so when you say, "They didn't build it themselves," you are right, but that is also a very elementary understanding of what goes into buidling a vision. How did the business get employees? How did the business get customers? Who gets the calls when the cash flow is slow? Who doesn't get paid while the employees do? I understand his context of having influences that inspire, but ultimately when you go to start a business it is you and only you that carries ALL of the responsibilities, ALL of the risks, ALL of the Stress, etc. I really do think it was a flippant remark because he simply cannot identify with what is required to own and run a business. you mean when you turned down the government loan with special interest rates? or do you mean when the bank gives you a loan ? or when a city gives to 10 years tax free to just be there? or do you think that you bought the lumber and you built the building yourself? or di you just load up the weapons and kill the owner pf the business you wanted? or do you mean you were all stressed out when you had to can 50% of your employees while you could keep a roof over your head and money in the bank while the x employees refience or must sell there car and home to rent and look for work? besides, i really do not see what he said was meant that way, i read the whole thing he was talking about a certain person that got the business through the family the wealthy that pass down the business etc. those where who he was speaking of. |
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Post by packerconvert on Jul 15, 2012 11:37:04 GMT -5
I started the business on money I had already had and I took a chance. MY MONEY! MY RISK! No employee was canned when business was slow, hence, why moi didn't get a paycheck while the employees did and I had to field calls to creditors when cash flow was slow. The employees were always looked out for first. I had 2 full time and 3 part-time employees; it wasn't very big. No government loans were used. No bank loans were used to build the business and many 20 hour days built upon contractual obligations helped to launch the business. People are so brainwashed into what goes into a mom and pop store. Mainly, because most Americans do not take risks anymore and therefore cannot empathize and automatically assume that those who own a small business are automatically wealthy. I am proud of what I did. I am proud of the conviction and drive I had to take a vision that I had since I was 16 years old and to see it come to life at age 26. (Wish I had that energy and drive at 44  ) Alot of dreaming, a lot of patience, a lot of fearful days and a lot of sweat built that business. |
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Post by happypacker on Jul 15, 2012 15:36:09 GMT -5
and you are one of the majority? or minority? that did it as you described.
My point is that few , very few as the President said do it all alone, and he was speaking millionaires, i also started a busines all by my self and it was always just a 2 person pizza shop. i had fun while i ran it and saved money from it. and now as an early(somewhat retired person) from the money made in that business.
again, though it was not what the President was speaking of. AT least i do not read it that way. and for certain i could be off.
In any case, i dislike the goverenment giving money out when it should be taken care of by the working person(S)
I have a neighbor that does not work, gets the aid, stamps etc. but owns a new car, smokes 4 packs a cgs a day, gambles on the state lottery that is the stuff i think the government should cut off. jmho
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Post by TW on Jul 15, 2012 16:14:55 GMT -5
If you already had money, it was either given to you, or you earned it, working for someone else. Obviously, someone else is therefore involved in your success.
Then, after you started your business, you obviously needed someone willing to take a chance on buying either your services, or products. And if that's the case, and you used any form of media to make those sales, including a telephone, you obviously needed the people from the inventor of the phone to the person who maintains the lines, to help you be a success.
You can't create a business that's void of anyone else having any involvement in it one way or another, no matter how hard you try.
Even the guy who sits down with pencil and paper and designs a log cabin, and builds it on his land, got help in several forms. It started with the people who manufactured the paper and pencil, and the fact that you were taught in a school to do what you did.
Like I said. Nobody is an island of success, no matter how you try to create that belief.
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Post by packerconvert on Jul 15, 2012 17:07:01 GMT -5
So you were a cop because a Union soldier crushed the skulls of native Americans and Amoeba became a lawyer because Hitlers ancestors derived the English lanugage. ;D
The things you two are talking about are tangibles, those things you can see and touch. You can touch money, you can touch phone lines, etc.
What you cannot touch are the intangibles. You cannot touch choice. You can't see risk. You cannot pick up a conviction or purchase one on mainstreet and none of these things can be given to you.
They are of your making and choice of action.
If you were going to use others as the basis for your decision making, then the influence should be not to own a business, not to take a risk, to stay where it is safe and do nothing that may cause you personal or financial harm because isn't that what America teaches anymore. Be safe, dont' take chances, conform for the well being of others?
The choice to take your money and take the risk to start a business. The choice to work long hours while friends are downtown is your own and no one elses. Whatever evolves from that decision is of your own through your organization and your leadership. Its working long hours while others having a good time in the hopes (was hope given to you by someone else or is it a manifestation of your attitude and beliefs) that your effort will make a differernce are not things given to you by others. They are choices and beliefs derived from one's own experience in life. It's my life, therefore my experiences and no one owns my thoughts.
I tend to believe that people will buy your services if they see the conviction in your eyes and the tone of your words.
And by the way, Cheetos didn't make me fat, nor did the evolution of the Cheetah.
And btw, nothing is more easier than working an 8 hour job and going home. Since leaving my business, life has been less stressful and, finanically, more stable. I can see why people don't take risk.
To those who do take an idea and run with it, they have my profound respect.
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Post by TW on Jul 15, 2012 17:40:28 GMT -5
In a way, I was a cop because of what someone else did. If people didn't do things like what you described, we wouldn't need cops.
No. Actions and reactions. Everything is relative.
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Post by amoeba15 on Jul 16, 2012 9:24:47 GMT -5
I understand and fully appreciate the risk and rewards for big and small businesses. My Grandfather started a factory in his basement and it grew to be as large of a school for 4,000 students. He had more then 30 employees, produced wire products and it was located in Philly, PA. I remember when I found his GOP supporting credentials and could not believe that he was a Republican. However, those with big bucks and who want to pay the least amount of money, support the Republicans.  |
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Post by amoeba15 on Jul 16, 2012 9:45:33 GMT -5
If you already had money, it was either given to you, or you earned it, working for someone else. Obviously, someone else is therefore involved in your success. Then, after you started your business, you obviously needed someone willing to take a chance on buying either your services, or products. And if that's the case, and you used any form of media to make those sales, including a telephone, you obviously needed the people from the inventor of the phone to the person who maintains the lines, to help you be a success. You can't create a business that's void of anyone else having any involvement in it one way or another, no matter how hard you try. Even the guy who sits down with pencil and paper and designs a log cabin, and builds it on his land, got help in several forms. It started with the people who manufactured the paper and pencil, and the fact that you were taught in a school to do what you did. Like I said. Nobody is an island of success, no matter how you try to create that belief. In Roanoke, Virginia Friday, President Obama explained during a campaign event that anyone who was successful owed a debt to society.Here is the text of his remarks from the White House transcript: Look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. washingtonexaminer.com/obama-if-youve-got-a-business-you-didnt-build-that/article/2502237 |
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Post by happypacker on Jul 16, 2012 10:54:07 GMT -5
I totally disagree and I do take these comments of his peronal as there were days after days and nights after nights that I struggled with no one to aid me or sooth me. You are right. There are employees involved, so when you say, "They didn't build it themselves," you are right, but that is also a very elementary understanding of what goes into buidling a vision. How did the business get employees? How did the business get customers? Who gets the calls when the cash flow is slow? Who doesn't get paid while the employees do? not 100% factual. when a large business suffers, the employees lose there job, not all, or they must double up and work there job plus the one that got let go, then they have to give up a pay increase or a health benifit, the employee does lots of things when a business is having a tough time, they lose there 401 -k plan, also and if you think for one second that the employee does not help in getting customers, wow, where is your head? I know one thing for ceetain, the CEO owner always gets replaced, and many times by the employee he is only one, if it were not for the employees that make, sell the product you can do all the running around and talk you want you will be broke in a short time and lose the business, and as far as pressure, shi- the eployee has it from all directions, the owner not so much not near as bad, stress come down on a majority workforce and see the real thing, where you have bosses all over you where you have stress trying to do your job because they do not suppy all the tools, parts paper, machines etc you need to do the job, then you have to worry about doing the job correctly, and then you hope the next person that gets it does not mess up and then you hope that the boss and his sales group and others do it right to give you a shot at even doing your job. so much to this, you really missed it. I understand his context of having influences that inspire, but ultimately when you go to start a business it is you and only you that carries ALL of the responsibilities, ALL of the risks, ALL of the Stress, etc. I really do think it was a flippant remark because he simply cannot identify with what is required to own and run a business. |
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Post by amoeba15 on Jul 16, 2012 13:10:30 GMT -5
I totally disagree and I do take these comments of his peronal as there were days after days and nights after nights that I struggled with no one to aid me or sooth me. You are right. There are employees involved, so when you say, "They didn't build it themselves," you are right, but that is also a very elementary understanding of what goes into buidling a vision. How did the business get employees? How did the business get customers? Who gets the calls when the cash flow is slow? Who doesn't get paid while the employees do? I understand his context of having influences that inspire, but ultimately when you go to start a business it is you and only you that carries ALL of the responsibilities, ALL of the risks, ALL of the Stress, etc. I really do think it was a flippant remark because he simply cannot identify with what is required to own and run a business. You know, of course, Obama is setting Romney up..AGAIN.  Romney is such a tool, and DOES NOT know how to either think for himself or to read between the lines. Romney is going to not only get a thorough arse whooping, but also a crash course in Politics 101. Romney campaign calls Obama remark to business owners 'insulting'Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul told FoxNews.com on Monday that the remarks "reflect just how unqualified he is to lead us to a real economic recovery." "They are also insulting to the hardworking entrepreneurs, small-business owners, and job creators who are the backbone of our economy," she said in an email. Kevin Hassett, an economist with the conservative American Enterprise Institute, said Obama's comments are "so far from the current debate," but setting the stage for the administration's tax argument. "Obama is trying to create the intellectual space to take money away from people. He's trying to say, 'What you do on the playing field would never be possible without the help of the government,'" he said. www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/16/romney-campaign-calls-obama-remark-to-business-owners-insulting/ |
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Post by packerconvert on Jul 16, 2012 16:32:38 GMT -5
True Story. Attachments:
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What a buffoon. 
