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Post by TW on Jul 9, 2012 13:05:12 GMT -5
I have mixed emotions on these issues. I believe people should have valid ID to be able to vote. I think voter registration should be done with valid ID, and then voting itself, done the same way.
I also understand why minorities especially are concerned about these issues. It stems from the days when there was a "poll tax" in the South. A carefully orchestrated way to insure that the black people weren't able to vote. Purely racism.
What the left is saying is that the voter ID is a step back in the direction of the past, and the poll tax. A direction that's totally unacceptable.
They say that there's little reason to support voter ID, because the amount of voter fraud that actually happens is minute, but I'm not certain that's always true. The Richard Daley era in Chicago, dating back into the 60s, included taking names off tombstones to add them to the voters roll, and taking people by the bus load from precinct to precinct to vote Democratic. They paid these people to vote, and some voted 3 or 4 times under different names, in different precincts.
Was it enough to sway elections? I don't know. I do know it was a known scandal, and I actually confronted a Democratic precinct captain who was doing it. Of course he just laughed, and said; "That's politics!"
Like I said. I have mixed emotions. If any state that wants to have a voter ID in place can do so without displacing any rights whatsoever for an individual, and guarantees that anyone who registers to vote will immediately be given a photo ID free of charge, and would in fact be willing to pay for the transportation costs of such individuals to and from the place of registration, I'd totally agree with the plan.
But, if any type of expenditure, including gas money, or bus fare, is going to be at the expense of the person registering, I'd be against it, because it's the beginning of cutting those out who can't even afford bus fare.
I'd imagine that plan would be pretty costly to a state, but if someone thinks fraud is that rampant, they should be more than willing to support the millions of dollars of expense, to get it done.
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Post by amoeba15 on Jul 9, 2012 14:22:36 GMT -5
Elizabeth Westfall, in her opening for the Justice Department, said the evidence would show as many as 1.4 million voters lack any form of acceptable identification under Texas' new law. She also stressed Texas wouldn't be able to prove there was no intent to discriminate against minority voters when it passed the law. "Texas will be unable to meet its burden," she said. Westfall noted the law was passed in the Texas Legislature under "the uniform objection" of minority lawmakers and that the Justice Department would show evidence it does in fact discriminate against minority voters. www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/09/texas-voter-id_n_1659836.html |
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Post by TW on Jul 9, 2012 16:13:01 GMT -5
Like I said, if the state of Texas is willing to accept the entire cost of helping everyone get registration, I'm for it. I'd bet darned near anything, that wouldn't be acceptable to them, because it would mean they'd have to let the "riff-raff" vote.  |
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Post by packerconvert on Jul 9, 2012 16:39:50 GMT -5
One of the ways the poor were discriminated against was that they had to pass a reading test. Most poor were uneducated and dumber than a box of rocks; they still are. Given the stupidity seen on the left and the right, I wish they would renew those laws. I saw some idiot girl today ask what a Founding Father was.  |
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Post by TW on Jul 9, 2012 17:15:06 GMT -5
Think about this for a moment. Those people who are part of the "box of rocks society," are in the South, and are now Republicans.
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Post by packerconvert on Jul 9, 2012 17:43:24 GMT -5
Think about this for a moment. Those people who are part of the "box of rocks society," are in the South, and are now Republicans. Actually, the gal was a liberal from San Francisco. I would also ask you to refrain from making racist remarks as the South houses the largest percentage of miniorities. There are many Mexicans who would be irate at you if they could read english. Thank you. |
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Post by TW on Jul 9, 2012 18:06:27 GMT -5
Just because some people can't speak, nor read english, doesn't make them dumber than a box of rocks like you indicated they are. It just means they are uneducated, and there are a large variety of reasons as to why that happens, and the number one culprit happens to be poverty.
I tell the story of my Dad's uncle, during the depression. He ran an oil company in Southeastern Wisconsin. They had oil delivered by great lakes tankers to their site regularly. They used five extremely large storage tanks near the shoreline.
One day, a worker accidentally bumped the main valve on one of the large tanks that had just been filled. It started leaking, and they couldn't stop the leak. There were thousands of gallons of oil in that tank, and it would end up running over the sand, and into Lake Michigan. To make matters worse, they couldn't close the valve, or even open it, to transfer the oil from one tank to another.
Their only choice, as their engineers saw it, was to use a 1" diameter hose and a pump, to pump it from one tank to another.
There was a problem with that. All their tanks were full, and it would take days to get at least one of them low enough to accept even a portion of the oil in the leaking tank.
My Dad's Uncle was more than concerned. He was standing off to the side, letting the engineers run the show, as expected.
A bum walked up to him, and was grabbed by a police officer. Before he was hauled away, he said; "I know how to fix that. If you give me 25 cents for a lunch, I can help you do it."
My Great Uncle told the police officer to bring the man over to talk to him. He asked him how he'd fix it.
"Pretty simple," He said. "Just get an inner tube for a truck tire, cut it up, into a square. Attach ropes to it in the four corners, and put a bowling ball in the middle. Then secure the bowling ball by making sure the rubber goes around it enough to keep it from falling out.
"Lower the ball into the tank through the top inspection port, and guide it to the side closest to the valve, and just off the bottom. As the oil goes out the valve, it will draw the ball to pipe outlet inside the tank, and create a pressure seal so you can stop the flow. Then, just replace the valve."
"Okay! But now you have the bowling ball stuck inside." My relative said.
"No problem," The man said; "just hook a hose from the outlet valve on another tank to the tank that's leaking, and the pressure outside the tank will equalize to the approximate pressure inside, and you can just pull the ball up, and the job is done."
That's what they did. It worked. It saved the company thousands of dollars, and the potential environmental damage was averted.
That man couldn't read nor write. He got more than a 25 cent meal. He got a job with the oil company as a trouble shooter working for my relative, brought his family up from Mississippi, he and his wife were able to get high school educations, and every single one of their children got college degrees.
One of his sons was a member of the Tuskeegee Airmen, honored for their service during WWII.
But that's just a story that I know of, because it happened to someone I was fortunate enough to meet, when I was a young child.
I guess that man wasn't as dumb as a box of rocks. Just uneducated, because that's the way it was in the South.
Never let lack of education be considered the same as dumb.
Maybe, during the course of your lifetime, you'll have life turning, and modification through what you really see, and experience. Just hope it's all for the best.
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Post by packerconvert on Jul 9, 2012 18:17:37 GMT -5
Just as a piece of paper from some college doesn't make a person competent.
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Post by TW on Jul 9, 2012 18:25:54 GMT -5
Exactly. The Engineers for the oil company were missing the simple principles of physics applied to pressure. It took a man with nothing but the clothes on his back, and hunger in his stomach, to end up changing things.
It also did something else. It changed my Great Uncle's complete perspective on race. Until then, he'd bought all the crap about blacks being inferior.
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Post by amoeba15 on Jul 10, 2012 9:17:36 GMT -5
"Never let lack of education be considered the same as dumb.""Just as a piece of paper from some college doesn't make a person competent."Most Republicans are the PERFECT example of this.  ;D
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Post by happypacker on Jul 10, 2012 10:53:57 GMT -5
I can tell you they try to cheat as much as they can,, just this past local election a person was going to run form an office postion in the city he needed 500 sigs to get on the ballot, they found out once he turned it in, that 200 were from dead people .
I also would like to know why the people running for Congress and the President of this country are allowed to put out camp ads knowing they are not telling the whole truth or the truth at all. Is this thetype of President we want running our country?
I hate negitive ads and i never vote for the ones that can get 100 million dollars to buy his election, just wonder what 100 million could do to help a school or hospital, or police force, fireman, all for lies and to get elected sick country any more.
the valid ID i think you can get one easy now a days and we all should have one to vote. but heck. we cannot get over 68% to vote for a President of this whole country once every FOUR YEARS.
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Post by TW on Jul 10, 2012 15:22:48 GMT -5
Very true. People just don't get out and vote. Yet, they stand on the sidelines later, and complain about the elected officials.
At the same time, there's an awful lot of people who probably shouldn't vote, because they don't want to hear anything political, or take a stand on anything. They just want to be on their own, without any involvement with the world around them.
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