Nobel Peace Prize Becomes Political - Obama Wins

[TW]

I think his winning the award points out just how poorly the US was viewed with Bush as President.

[TMWight]

I have a feeling that it was given to him more to just say "Hey you're going down the right direction and here's an award to ensure you continue your peaceful endeavors."

[packerconvert]

Oct 9, 2009 21:19:16 GMT -5 TMWight said:

I have a feeling that it was given to him more to just say "Hey you're going down the right direction and here's an award to ensure you continue your peaceful endeavors."

"An award to ensure you continue your peaceful endeavors."

Is this not influence over our sitting President? Sheesh.

In response to TW:

It's malarky the battle cry heard by Bush haters that Obama is "restoring confidence" to the world.

Who is he restoring it to?

England? Germany? France? Austrailia? Just which nation is it that Obama feels he needs to cow tow too or appease by apoligizing for the actions of America under Bush's term?

Is Obama restoring confidence to Muslim nations? Is that the angle you are working?

"Gee, I am sorry America put a boot up your ass after your brethren killed 3,000 of our citizens on our soil."

Obama "restoring confidence" to the world has no merit or foundational premise to seriously consider.

Such terminology is used to spoon feed propaganda to the ignorant who support Obama blindly.

[packerfanfran]

In response to PC...you lie

In response to TW..it's ok for you to use my personal emoticon..just not for PC

[amoeba15]

After 8 years of Bush repeatedly wiping his arse with the US Constitution, lying his arse off and immorally inflicting pain, suffering, torment, misery and being responsible for soooooo much financial destitution that most Americans have NEVER witnessed before, Obama offers HOPE.

To me, Obama is deserving of the Nobel Peace Prize because he is providing people with HOPE and in doing so has united ALL Americans, regardless of racial, religious and gender beliefs, to work together towards a common goal.

The hope that Obama is offering requires ALL Americans to do their parts, by working together, and by doing so we as a nation can accomplish anything. Together Americans will make their money the old fashioned way, WE will earn it, not STEAL IT or MISAPPROPRIATE IT, but earn our money. It will take hard work, sacrifice, determination, lots of cursing the name of Bush, but in the end, Americans will achieve what they have labored sooooo hard for.

Obama's stimulus plan is a very small example of the enormous hope and love that Obama and the US is providing to ALL Americans. Obama and the US government can not do it all and that is why it is up to ALL Americans to do their part to help rebuild and strengthen this country, which in turn will provide a stronger foundation for our families and loved ones.

The after-effects of Bush are truly tragic and horrifying. In the DC area, I have heard countless HORROR stories of mothers and/or fathers who have lost their jobs, life savings, insurance and have come home and killed their entire family. There was a 55-60 year old Partner at a big DC law firm who graduated from Harvard Law School and who had argued more then 30 cases before the US Supreme Court, who upon being layed off, blew his brains out with a hand gun. The partner had a loving family, who could neither believe nor understand what caused him to take his own life. In another instance, a former Engineer in the DC area who was making more then $100,000/year turned to heroine and alcohol, upon losing his job and also lost his wife and children. Another professional in the DC area who made more then $100,000/year, lost his job and turned to robbing banks, was recently arrested and is awaiting trial. A former defense contractor who made more then $150,000 per year, was recently fired and his family of four are being kicked out of the local homeless shelter due to lack of funding and space.

I can go on and on and on.

Believe it or not, but I honestly try to let my heart be my moral compass between right and wrong. When I saw, heard and felt what Bush was doing, I honestly saw similarities between Bush and Hitler. Right is right, wrong is wrong, evil is evil. It does not take a rocket scientist to distinguish between right and wrong and/or good and bad.

Sure, I can take my job, money, luxuries and comforts and stick up my middle finger and laugh at EVERYBODY who are being screwed over, BUT I simply could not and would not want to live with myself. Instead, I want to help others by being compassionate, giving, understanding, caring, supportive and loving my neighbor as I do myself.

Accordingly, I repeat this very important quote “For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"

Nope, I refuse to be roasting marshmallows in Hell with Satan and Bush.

[packerconvert]

The sad stories you described happen in good times also Amoeba.

Additionaly, the stories you describe are commensurate with the working poor who often turn to crime to make ends meet of off themselves in frustration

I don't see prior Presidents being held responsible. Oh that's right, those people weren't rich. It's only when the rich are affected that the President becomes a bad man.

[packerconvert]

I found this on a blog. Too funny regarding Obama and the NPP.

"Oh, Nobel Peace Prize Committee. I understand. We've all been there.

You've been in a long-term relationship with someone who just doesn't understand you. Treated you like your feelings weren't important. Dissed your friends. Started giant fights that were just based on his wrong opinions, not grounded in facts.

Couldn't pronounce nuclear to save his life.

You knew you deserved better, and somehow, you finally found it in you to end things. You dried your eyes, and there "He" was.

Sparkly and handsome and smart, and he treats you so well: listens to your needs, takes you seriously, tells you you're important. He even talks in complete sentences.

And I'm so happy for you, really I am. I like him, too. I see a lot of long-term potential there. I think you and Barack Obama are going to be great together.

But honey, he's the rebound boyfriend. You don't just run off to Vegas and get married to someone just because he's not the other guy. You let things develop. You see if he's got what it takes, if he's for real.

You don't give him the Nobel Peace Prize on the first date, either. Bless your heart"

[amoeba15]

Oct 9, 2009 23:24:34 GMT -5 packerconvert said:

The sad stories you described happen in good times also Amoeba.

Additionaly, the stories you describe are commensurate with the working poor who often turn to crime to make ends meet of off themselves in frustration

I don't see prior Presidents being held responsible. Oh that's right, those people weren't rich. It's only when the rich are affected that the President becomes a bad man.

However, most Americans have NEVER witnessed and/or experienced so much interference, pain, suffering, torment, financial deprivation, joblessness, losing their homes, living in homeless shelters, collecting unemployment, killing themselves and/or their families and loved ones, turning to crime and/or drugs/alcohol and basically giving up because there was NO HOPE in sight. Without a doubt, BUSH THE BOOB is to blame.

Tis very simple actually, look at what America was before and after Bush took office.

Your opinions, excuses and/or this or that fact are missing the clear hard facts -- A LARGE PERCENT OF AMERICANS ARE SUFFERING LIKE NEVER BEFORE and this started during and is the result of the pathetic job that Bush did while president. Many experts agree that the fallout resulting from 8 years of Bush has led to where we are today.

As for whether Obama deserves the Nobel Peace Prize, please consider the following:

So what hope did the committee glean from Obama over the past year? They rightly saw more movement on the Iran nuclear issue through dialogue than there has been achieved over the past eight years of the Bush administration. They saw U.S.-led efforts to strengthen the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and ratify the Comprehensive Test Ban treaty—something that Nobel Prize winner Mohamed ElBaradei noted when he said that Obama "has done in nine months what many people would take a generation to do."

They listened to an administration that has pledged to close down Guantanamo and leave Iraq. They noticed that for the first time since Jimmy Carter, American political discourse has focused on accountability of governments and human rights—Hillary Clinton’s recent condemnation of the murder and rape of opposition demonstrators in Guinea being but an example. For the first time in more than eight years, we have an administration that is willing to listen to the Middle East and willing to tackle the challenges associated with that elusive peace process.

These struggles are complicated and frustrating and nowhere near from being over. Any number of Obama efforts could go badly at anytime. But in issuing the prize to Obama, the committee decided to take the chance to do something relevant. It decided to give the prize as a call to action—in short, as a gesture of hope.

Should Obama be humbled? He’d better be! He’s no Martin Luther King Jr., and he’s no Nelson Mandela. Anybody with any common sense would argue that much more needs to be done. Darfur, Burma, Sri Lanka and Yemen are on the back burner when they shouldn’t be. The health care debate in America keeps us exasperated. And we all feel that the critical issue of American joblessness deserves more attention. To be sure, hope is both what defines the Obama presidency and what leaves us so cynical about its shortcomings.

But as we count up the reasons for pessimism, let’s also take the time to celebrate what has been achieved. Regardless of the troubles ahead, the message of this administration is being heard. The committee understood that America under Obama is again a part of the community of nations—willing to listen and willing to lead.

Like Martin Luther King Jr., you don’t have to wait a lifetime to win. King was the youngest person ever to win the prize in 1964, the year after his “I Have a Dream,” speech. At that time, the peace associated with the civil rights movement was far from being achieved. The committee could have easily argued that King needed more experience. If they had done so, he would likely have won the award posthumously.

Using those standards, Yasser Arafat, Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres would not have won in 1994 for attempting to advance peace in the Middle East. Rigoberta Menchú Tum wouldn’t have won for her efforts at justice and reconciliation in post-civil war Guatemala. Aung San Suu Kyi would still be waiting for her prize since democracy and human rights would remain illusive in Burma.

It’s like Archbishop Desmond Tutu said when he congratulated Obama today: “It is an award that speaks to the promise of President Obama’s message of hope.”

www.theroot.com/views/why-obama-deserves-nobel-peace-prize


HOPE, HOPE, HOPE, HOPE, HOPE -- sometimes HOPE combined with a little FAITH is all that Americans have in their tireless efforts to make ends meet.

BTW, IF you can not have HOPE, FAITH, COMPASSION, CHARITY AND LOVE, Christianity and other religious beliefs and their places of prayers and worship are useless. All that is left are personal wants and desires, such as, greed and power -- more for the few and screw everybody else.

For me, there must be more to life then closing my eyes and heart to the rest of the world. I learned a long time ago, that people need to stop seeing so much from their eyes, experience and Borg programming, but rather must open up their hearts, at least a little, and witness what is going on around them. How people respond, truly define who they are.

BTW, I do hate when I am sober.