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Post by conmanpart2 on Aug 19, 2009 16:44:49 GMT -5
Brent says that "True" Packer fans will understand what he did and why he did it... And will not hate / disrespect him for it...
So I guess that makes me not a true Packer fan....
Is Brent right in this statement or is he just a bigger jerk than some first believed...
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Post by 50poundhead on Aug 19, 2009 17:08:52 GMT -5
I'm not torn, but a bit confused and the needle on my crap-o-meter occasionally goes into the red big-time.
"Jerk" is a strong term. I just think he's a lot more self-centered than most of us thought. He always said he wasn't "about the records," but I can't see anything in this move except a chance to cement a legacy that has already been cemented. And, when you think about it, that borders on hubris.
Favre's departure from Green Bay was handled clumsily by all parties. I wish he had been able to stay last season and finish here. But I'm not sad it didn't happen. It's just another realization that this is a business first and Favre and the Packers are both in "business."
I consider myself a die-hard. Those of us who sat through the dry years and watched some of the worst football imaginable and remained Packer fans can live through pretty much anything. And it's no different with Favre's leaving.
So, I don't think being a "true" fan has anything to do with anything. I'm a Packer fan and I was a Favre fan when he played with the Packers. I'm not going to wish him too much ill, but if he falls flat on his face, I'm not going to pity him either.
In the end, he's become bigger in his own mind than he truly is and that's an unfortunate thing to see with any athlete. It doesn't mean he's not great. I just think he's a lot more self-centered than we all thought.
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Post by Pack4ever on Aug 19, 2009 21:00:21 GMT -5
I'm not torn, but a bit confused and the needle on my crap-o-meter occasionally goes into the red big-time. "Jerk" is a strong term. I just think he's a lot more self-centered than most of us thought. He always said he wasn't "about the records," but I can't see anything in this move except a chance to cement a legacy that has already been cemented. And, when you think about it, that borders on hubris. Favre's departure from Green Bay was handled clumsily by all parties. I wish he had been able to stay last season and finish here. But I'm not sad it didn't happen. It's just another realization that this is a business first and Favre and the Packers are both in "business." I consider myself a die-hard. Those of us who sat through the dry years and watched some of the worst football imaginable and remained Packer fans can live through pretty much anything. And it's no different with Favre's leaving. So, I don't think being a "true" fan has anything to do with anything. I'm a Packer fan and I was a Favre fan when he played with the Packers. I'm not going to wish him too much ill, but if he falls flat on his face, I'm not going to pity him either. In the end, he's become bigger in his own mind than he truly is and that's an unfortunate thing to see with any athlete. It doesn't mean he's not great. I just think he's a lot more self-centered than we all thought. I couldnt agree more. I blame a lot of this one the media for how they have portrayed him for many years. I think it went to our heads, but more importantly, i think it went to his. |
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Post by gopackgo2000 on Aug 19, 2009 21:59:36 GMT -5
Okay I wish ill on the Vikings every year! I hope they go 0-16 every year. So, yeah by virtue of that I wish ill on him. Plus I wouldn't mind seeing the consecutive games streak ended by my/our Packers!!!
Hey Brett, I am a stockholding owner. I am a die hard Packers fan! I DON'T get it! I DON'T understand. You are not bigger than my team and you never will be. I am so thankful for the Super Bowl you helped win for us. I am happy that you helped us return to elite status in the NFL, but we owe you nothing!!! Thanks for the memories now please do the right thing and go 0-16!!!
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Post by pacdoty on Aug 21, 2009 6:04:58 GMT -5
Brett is like the addict who cant quite quit his drug of choice no matter how hard he tries. He actually was going to remain retired. It was Childress(as reported on ESPN by Schlereth)who wouldnt "close the book" on Favre. So behind the organizations back and AFTER saying that his QB's were the MEN for his team(and to his team) he kept cajoling and weedling like a a pusher offering a free hit knowing Favre would crack. Remember, all those phone calls to Bevill while Favre was with the Jets? He wasnt going to stop then and he wasnt going to stop now not until Favre was in Purple. Childress believes that he and Favre and Peterson can guide Minny to there first SB win. With a line that gave up the 7th most sacks in the NFL(47) this might be a baaaaad idea. Favre has always been playing Russian Roullette every time he stepped on the field. Now the odds really skyrocket that he is going to get a major injury. So if that happens the QB he told was the mas,then wasnt will HAVE TO BE THE MAN. I smell a desperate and delusional Childress all over this. Well Childress will probably end up as another famous biblical character who did was done in by a tempting dance. With his head on a silver platter!
RANGERS LEAD THE WAY!
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Post by TW on Aug 21, 2009 8:32:24 GMT -5
Everyone is too lathered up over Favre's playing for the Vikings. Who cares? He's a football player, it's his right, if he still has the tools to do it.
It seems like people are a bit too concerned about "Favre - the person," and not "The Packers - the team."
I'm a Packer fan, and Favre isn't a Packer. Big deal! I wish him luck. Just not enough luck to outdo the Packers.
Anyhow, I'm going to enjoy watching him throw the ball. I think he's probably still pretty good at it, probably better than last year, after his surgery.
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Post by amoeba15 on Aug 21, 2009 8:39:04 GMT -5
Brett needs to be HUMBLED. In fact, if his father were alive, I am sure that Favre would have received at least one more arse whooping. I am very surprised that there is enough room at Favre's home for Favre, his family and Favre's ego. BTW, interesting bits and pieces from the time in Favre's life in which Holmgren almost benched him: By Peter King Issue date: January 27, 1997 Brett Favre sat at the end of the Green Bay Packers' bench, stewing. It was the night of Oct. 20, 1994, during a game against the Minnesota Vikings at the Metrodome, and Favre seemed perilously close to losing his starting-quarterback job. He had been sidelined after the first quarter by a bruised left hip but the way he figured it, the injury gave Green Bay coaches what they wanted: a convenient excuse to begin the Mark Brunell era. Though Brunell, Favre's lefthanded understudy, played well the rest of the game, Minnesota won 13-10 in overtime, dropping the underachieving Packers to 3-4. "Good," Favre recalls thinking. "We lose the rest of the games this year, that's fine with me."On the flight home, coach Mike Holmgren wouldn't make a decision on Favre's future. As is his custom, Holmgren first wanted to review the game tape and consult his coaching staff. But the statistics were telling. In 38 games directing Green Bay's passer-friendly West Coast offense, the talented Favre had thrown almost as many interceptions (44) as he had touchdown passes (46). Before the season Holmgren had told Favre, "I will not hesitate to pull you if we're losing games with the same mistakes we made last year." Now Holmgren was considering benching Favre.The next few days were dicey around Packers headquarters. In quarterbacks coach Steve Mariucci's office, Favre threw a tantrum in frustration over trying to master the complex offense. "The lowest point of his Packers career," Mariucci says. Irvin Favre, Brett's father, called Mariucci, pleading with him to urge Holmgren to ease up on Brett. "I know my son," Irvin says, "and if Mike hadn't stopped butchering him after he made a mistake, Brett would have dwindled to nothing." One of Holmgren's confidants, longtime friend Bob LaMonte, was certain Favre would be benched. "I know Mike was livid with Brett," LaMonte says. "Mike told me at the time that it was just galling to see a player of this magnitude continue to self-destruct." At a coaches meeting that week, Holmgren polled each member of his offensive staff on who should be the starting quarterback. Brunell, whom the coaches considered a better decision-maker than Favre, won the vote. So what did Holmgren do? Later, he called Favre into his office and told him, "Buddy, it's your job." Holmgren's decision was based largely on his belief that Favre was close to mastering the offense and that the only thing holding him back -- a tendency to force situations -- was correctable. "We're joined at the hip," Holmgren told Favre. "Either we're going to the Super Bowl together, or we're going down together." sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/features/favre/flashbacks/warmed_up/ |
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Post by 50poundhead on Aug 21, 2009 8:57:36 GMT -5
TW, I'm not lathered, but when I hear the cockamamie story about his daughter, I just shake my head. Favre thinks he's Davey Crockett and can just spin these yarns and expect the rest of the world to take him seriously. If it was that tender and intimate a moment between him and his daughter, why not just have that be their story instead of a story to be digested by the whole world.
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Post by TW on Aug 21, 2009 9:16:31 GMT -5
The daughter story was just plain dumb.
I don't care what she wants to be honest, and I doubt very much if her comments really made a difference to him.
It was all about whether or not he still wanted to play the game.
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Post by packfanforever on Aug 21, 2009 9:45:46 GMT -5
The "true" packer fan thing stuck in my craw too. And the daughter story...wow. A poster of note said that story could have been written by Ari Fleischer.
As a pretty cool media savvy manipulative character, Brent can turn on the aw shucks/childlike joy of football thing on demand now.
Watching the Twin Cities media coverage of the Vikings' practices this week has been interesting. The Favre love is just over the top. He's a freakin' rock star in a jockstrap.
OK, old man. Strap it on and let's play.
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Post by TW on Aug 21, 2009 9:51:23 GMT -5
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Post by amoeba15 on Aug 21, 2009 10:02:13 GMT -5
Packers HC McCarthy said the following: According to Packers coach Mike McCarthy, he's OK with it. "If he wants to play, I think he should play football," said Packers coach Mike McCarthy on 620WTMJ's Wisconsin's Morning News. "I have no problem playing against him." "There's a tremendous amount of passion in Wisconsin throughout the world with Green Bay Packers fans. You cannot deny that," explained McCarthy. "I'm sure people are offended, and rightfully so. This organization runs deep in a lot of people. I clearly understand their point of view." "At the end of the day, when it comes to preparing for football, it doesn't matter who's lined up on the other side. We have one thing in mind, and that's to keep building this team, day by day, week by week to win the next world championship here." www.todaystmj4.com/sports/53937057.html |
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Post by pacdoty on Aug 22, 2009 7:15:08 GMT -5
Yeah I guess in some ways Im worried about the man. He was my icon for 17 years. Now what REALLY hacks me off he has put me in the position of having to root against him. Its,frankly, still uncomfortable to me. I will do it. I will root against the Vikings and Farve. But I dont like that he put me in this position. I think thats where a lot of the passion(at least from me) comes from. When he was with the jets NP. I even got a #4 Jets Jersey and they became my adopted AFC team. But now he's a "yeach" Viqueen. And of all the teams I cant stand the most is the Queens. Not the Bears,not the Cowboys or Raiders or such the Queens. So, yeah I wish him luck. But as TW said just not enough luck to beat the Pack twice this season. But in all sincerety it will be hard. Hey, at least I'm being honest. No matter How pi$$ed off I am It will be hard for me to see him playing and purple and forcing me to pull against him. If this thing goes for another year or 2 maybe it will get easier(IMHO it wont go another 1-2 seasons)but that Monday Night game (well how dare he put me in this position). I know thats MY problem and not HIS. But when push comes to shove Im a Packers fan who has weathered players like John Hadl.Harlan Hucklebee, Jim Zorn and Randy Wright. With that background the green and gold will always take precedent over Favre in Purple(yeach!). Just my last vent. Good luck Brett but here's to an 0-16 season!  RANGERS LEAD THE WAY! |
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Post by conmanpart2 on Aug 22, 2009 8:14:14 GMT -5
I don't know how many of you heard Brett talking about talking to his older daughter before the game and how she reassured him that everything would be fine..... He's bringing out the whole family...
That said....
A friend was arguing the Brett's playing with the Vikes is no different than Sharper or Longwell... I disagree... neither Sharper or Longwell were Icon in Green bay.... Neither were "Mr Packer" Neither had a street named after them.... I still wear my "Packer" Favre jerseys.... Not because I love the guy and respect what he's done... I wear them because they are comfortable....
Time for bed
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Post by thegreenmeanie on Aug 22, 2009 11:57:09 GMT -5
While I agree with you TW that we should try to keep our attention focused on what is happening in Green Bay this is still a big deal to me personally. The Packers will be playing their 90th season this year... We have some of the best rivalries in American sports. We have all ventured down the road where we debate who is the Packer' biggest rival. Overall, no doubt it's the bears, especially, if you are not as young as me (24). To me, It's the Vikings. I grew up with them having Carter, Moss, and Cullpepper. I hate the Bears, but this one stings. It also stings because we made this man a God. He doesn't seem thankful for anything.
His statement about his legacy being his... Yes, it is his. The fact that he said it like that just hits me wrong. Maybe it doesn't for everyone, but it sure does for me. The rilvaries are a huge part of being a Packers fan, and watching the golden boy defect is not as easy for everyone. I think I am in the middle. It doesn't destroy me, but it does suck.
I don't disagree with his right to play football, or his right to change his mind, but I still firmly believe he showed himself the door in Green Bay. If he wanted to play football he could also be with the Jets again... Something smells rotten. This was set up for awhile. You don't retire and ask for your release.
I won't forget what he did with us. I will however say I am disappointed reading people's comments on various boards and when they talk about the early 90's I am not seeing White's name. He was just as big a part of the swing in Green Bay as anyone IMO. Remember the year we won we were the no.1 offense, AND no.1 defense. Back to Favre, I won't forget what he did, but it will take awhile to really act like it's cool. I do hope the Packer fans let him know how they feel when he comes out of the tunnel in Lambeau.
I guess ignoring him for a decade or so won't really do anything. Knowing him he will probably get together with his family and retire his own jersey while he talks about his legacy.
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