History is awesome

[TW]

As I watched a short ad for the new Lincoln movie, I thought back to when I was a little kid. I was visiting my Grandfather, who fought in the Spanish American War, and he was talking to a much older man who had served during the Civil War. That's right, the American Civil War.

Anyhow, this older man was actually a drummer boy, and his Wisconsin unit of sharpshooters were defenders at Gettysburg. He had actually tasted combat, and had been wounded.

Since he was wounded, he stayed at Gettysburg when his unit left with the rest of the Union Army, and was assigned to the garrison that handled graves registration, and burial ceremonies.

He was there, in uniform, and part of the honor guard, when Abraham Lincoln stepped up and made the immortal speech. He heard Lincoln's speech.

Now think about it for a moment. Think about the historical significance. I live here in the 21st century, and have a one person direct link back to the moment in time, when Lincoln delivered what was once of the most memorable statements by a person in this nation.

When the full impact of having met this man, and talked to him, set in on me, I felt weak in the knees, and I still do, as I type this.

We need to be there, in time, and witness what happens in our nation, and be part of it. I'm so thankful for all the opportunities I've had to be part of it.

It's time for Congress to sit down, and hammer out a budget and plan for the future, that protects this nation for the next two or three centuries. It's time for all of them to put nation and people ahead of personal and political agendas.

[packerconvert]

Agree witth your final thoughts.

I, too, love histry. Working with Senior Adults all these years, one of the things I always thought about is that I had touched someone who shared the mortal coil with the likes of pasts Presidents, Billy the Kd, etc

I even got to touch the hands of a soldier who fought in the Spanish-American war, and no doubt he knew men who fought in the Civil War.

There is far more to this country then the thread of political parties.

History is important to know and as, writer, Harry McCullough said, "Ameirca is history illiterate," which could actually doom us.

On election day, they were asking kids questions about the Obama and Romney campaigns. Many of the kids could recite the platforms, but they could not answer simple questions such as, "Name the three branches of government, what were the Axis Powers etc."

Its sad really and the less attention and respect we pay towards the past, the more hallow this naton seems to become.

[happypacker]

I to love this country for what it was meant to be, but as years move on the greed and the lazy, have corroided the system. I realize this is bult on freedom of rights, but many just do not want to admit,, Freedom has rules as well. everything is not to be as each individual wants it. Plus the thought of people in the minority,, are stopping rights of the majority, one example, the pledge to our flag and country, also the right to worship. shame to that the money and the corrupt rule the majority. was not meant that way.

[nick20]

taxes are the price we pay keep this society going. there are more people than there was back in the depression, and by the middle of tghis century there will be more than there is today. everyone deserves the chance to live thier lives without fear and want, and in the wealthiest country in the world, there are nearly a million people without a home. those include people from the militarty, people who have given up and those withy untreated issues. as for history, it deeply saddens me to see the collective ignorance in regards to history and geography in this country. when romney made that boneheaded remark about syria bordering Iran, that conformed he was unfit for office. how can you be president and not know where countries are and what other countries they border? frankly we need more courses about history, civic and geography in this country.

[packerconvert]

Nov 18, 2012 18:09:18 GMT -5 nick20 said:

taxes are the price we pay keep this society going. there are more people than there was back in the depression, and by the middle of tghis century there will be more than there is today. everyone deserves the chance to live thier lives without fear and want, and in the wealthiest country in the world, there are nearly a million people without a home. those include people from the militarty, people who have given up and those withy untreated issues. as for history, it deeply saddens me to see the collective ignorance in regards to history and geography in this country. when romney made that boneheaded remark about syria bordering Iran, that conformed he was unfit for office. how can you be president and not know where countries are and what other countries they border? frankly we need more courses about history, civic and geography in this country.

So you agree than that President Obama is unfit to be President with his 57 state remark? I agree. A President should know their geopgraphy, history; especially about the fricken country they live in.

[TW]

Quit whining about Obama being in, and do something constructive in getting a handle on medical costs.

That's what's f-ing up this country! We're allowing lobbies to control politicians, and talking heads to keep their job by spouting bull crap ideology.

[happypacker]

the only people who control the lobbists are the multi rich,, so who is the problem? there is big money for them and they fight over getting control. they have little to no interest in the working majority.

[packerconvert]

Nov 21, 2012 21:47:44 GMT -5 TW said:

Quit whining about Obama being in, and do something constructive in getting a handle on medical costs.

That's what's f-ing up this country! We're allowing lobbies to control politicians, and talking heads to keep their job by spouting bull crap ideology.

I'm not whining about Obama being in. I am ascertaining, based on Nick's remarks, whether or not he feels that Obama is qualified to be President due to his boneheaded remark about traveling the 57 states of America. As Nick said, a person who does not understand world geography is not qualified to be President

I enjoy watching talking heads condemning opponents for statements while giving glowing support for their own when they do the exact same thing

You want to change America, start calling people on their double-standard bullschit instead of letting it pass on by because it's your guy that's winning.

Thankfully, that is what Fox News does!

If Nick is to hold true to his statement and "values", neither Romney nor Obama are qualified to be President.

[happypacker]

Congress has very few who are " qualified" ,

[packerconvert]

Nov 23, 2012 12:58:19 GMT -5 happypacker said:

Congress has very few who are " qualified" ,

That is not the point. I am seeking the answer to whether or not Nick will hold true to his values and place the same litmus test upon President Obama that he has with Romney; namely, that if you do not know your geography, you are not qualified to be President.

Now if it were me being taken to task, I'd just say my candidate mis-spoke while the President is an idiot, but I'm a die hard, very conservative Republican: It's what we do.

[TW]

I would hope you're not a Romney style conservative. That would mean you believe morons should be in charge, and neocons should control them, just like Rove intended doing with his cohorts, when Bush was President.

We've seen enough of that Bull s++t right wing fascist non-religious pandering racists to last us a lifetime.

It's time for moderate conservatives to step up and take control of the party, or are you guys intending on watching the whole damned thing crumble more over the next few years?

For the life of me, I cannot figure out how someone can say that the left is stifling freedom of religion by not allowing religions to persecute those who don't have the same beliefs and values, and say they have a right to do it.

That's a total oxymoron, and we all know that the right wing egotists who have supported the Romney types are nothing more than corporate overlords whose goal is to "own" this country because viagra can't give them the bone they need to feel like a "man."

Sorry! That's what I'm seeing, and I love watching the dick sticks and c-wads over on Fox scrambling around looking for new adjectives and ways to say that we're going to hell because we got a black man in the White House.

Anyhow.... I digress. The right lost, and even though they still control the house, that's going to be gone too in two years, unless they get their heads out of their collective arses.

Harsh post to follow later! ;D

[packerconvert]

I find this a curious statement,

"For the life of me, I cannot figure out how someone can say that the left is stifling freedom of religion by not allowing religions to persecute those who don't have the same beliefs and values, and say they have a right to do it."

Millions of women voted Republicans this year, yet, you embrace a stifling, sexist liberal movement that calls women stupid and ignorant for embracing conservative values.

Its not just us Neo-Cons that are persecuting people for different beliefs, its everyone, and as liberals have taught, if there is going to be persecution of belief systems, let it be the liberals that ostrzcize everyone who doesn't think like them. Examples, religion, birth control, welfare reform, gun control, taxation, racism, immigration etc."

[TW]

I guess you don't see it.

You figure that because some women voted Republican that it means that you have a right to tell other women they don't have a right to deal with their own bodies?

Then you tell me that because I say you don't have the right to tell them that, that I'm interfering with your right to insist they do what you tell them?

I find the argument presented incredulous. The women who voted on the right who did it on "religious principle" are stating that their right to dictate to others, who disagree, that they have no choice in the matter, regarding to their own bodies.

That's hypocrisy. That's also why we're seeing God's name, and references being taken from our court rooms, and schools. When you try to force a religious belief down someone's throat, you're no better than the tyrants that were doing that, and forced so many religious people to leave Europe, and seek refuse in the new world, where they could "practice, or not practice religion the way they wished, without repercussion."

Now, the right would bring that same thing back, here in this country. If you stretch this "right of passage" of religious belief, you're only a few steps behind that which the Taliban is promoting in Afghanistan and Pakistan. It's just a matter of time until you force your own "Sharia law" on others.

[packerconvert]

Really? Some women voted Republican? Try millions!

These are millions of women that your ilk have indirectly called stupid and ignorant because they didn't buy into your argument that there is a war on women. In fact, your side likes to call Republican women, bitches, hoes and c%$ts. Oh yes, the Democratic Party embraces respects the rights of women, as long as long as those hussies agree with left wing ideology.

So do not talk to me about hypocrisy when you use the very same arguments to dumb women down because you like to make it into an issue about men and how men think things should be or should not be done. Have you looked at the percentage of women elected to Congress?

I find it incredulous that Democratic men think they need to fight and protect the little woman. Those days are long gone and women can stand on their own, as they have done so on both sides of the political aisle.

The one thing they don't need is political pandering which the whole birth control debacle was all about.

[TW]

Good job at twisting what I said. I didn't say anything about a war on women. I stated that the women who voted Republican for abortion reasons are voting for a tyrannical point of view not that far from Sharia law. I never said that they all did it.

That's a problem with people who lean too far right. They have this tendency to throw innuendo out there, and hope it sticks.

Yes, there were millions of women who voted Republican. I met some. One, a little old woman at Sam's Club, who got nervous and scared when this "black man" asked her if she had DirecTV, and if not, did she have any interest? She got huffy, and said she had Comcast cable, and didn't need anything else, because she kept it tuned to Fox News, where she got all the information she needed to make decisions.

That old woman is stupid. She always has been, and I'd bet that for most of her life some man told her to stay in the kitchen like a good little woman, because the men would talk about important things, and she didn't have to worry her "pretty little head" about it.

The far right wing religious zealots wives are good little Stepford Wives, like they've been trained to be, since they were children. It's all they know, and hubby will tell them who to vote for, and when. As for why? She don't have to worry about it, that husband has figured it all out, and talked about it with his buddies at the KKK lodge meeting. They know what's "right" for America.

What's sad is that too many people on the right don't realize that they're on the wrong side of a "class warfare battle." Most of the people over there obviously aren't well enough off to have a job wiping Romney's butt, and he wouldn't let them because they're the "unwashed masses." He pretty much told you guys so with his 47% comment.