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Post by TW on Nov 4, 2009 10:11:18 GMT -5
Please identify those communists, and show where they are communists. No right-wing hate blogs accepted as "proof," thank you.
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Post by gopackgo2000 on Nov 4, 2009 18:23:19 GMT -5
Van Jones.... Read this... www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/08/glenn-beck/glenn-beck-says-van-jones-avowed-communist/ You will like this. The article says that he was but isn't a communist anymore, however if you look at what they point to as evidence it is obvious to me that he never distanced himself from Communisim rather "Changed tactics" to be more effective...While he was doing all of this tactic changing Valerie Jarrod was liking what she saw... www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud_yNFnfrSI She referances his activism in Oakland...They knew exactly who he was and they wanted him in the white house! Mark Llyod..."Diversity Chief" Idolizes Chavez.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9ffAP5ixhg&feature=PlayList&p=281C4413618F67AD&index=66 What is really funny is that he talks about open dialogue and how it is needed, yet he says the science is settled about global warming...He isn't talking about dialogue, he is talking about telling people what to think and what to believe...state run media...it is what Chavez does and it is what he wants... Ron Bloom the manufacturing czar in his own words does not believe in America's free market system and "mostly" agrees with communist Chairman Mao... www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm-Fx5jTbPEAnita Dunn The White House Communication Director...one of her two favorite political philosophers is Mao... www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qDsrfy-ZvgCass Sustein is another cook welcomed by this White House. He does not believe in the second amendment in principal and he believes in animal's rights to an attourney. And what is with this guy that the White House appointed as the "Safe Schools Czar" Kevin Jennings...seriously??? Listen to him...in his own words... www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tp-wL8KTQs&feature=related Yes I understand that Van Jones and Kevin Jennings are not in the WHite House anymore, but that is only because of the whistle blowers. Obama and his people know exactly who all of these people are and they welcome them in. These are just a few I am sure. There is too much of this to be happen stance!
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Post by packerconvert on Nov 4, 2009 21:51:43 GMT -5
Please identify those communists, and show where they are communists. No right-wing hate blogs accepted as "proof," thank you. Where have you been? The Tsars are a bad breed of people.
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Post by gopackgo2000 on Nov 6, 2009 9:24:21 GMT -5
Please identify those communists, and show where they are communists. No right-wing hate blogs accepted as "proof," thank you. I am waiting for a response...
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Post by TW on Nov 6, 2009 11:58:22 GMT -5
I haven't had an opportunity to do an "in depth" investigation of the charges yet. I will, and rest assured, I'll respond no matter what I find.
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Post by gopackgo2000 on Nov 6, 2009 12:07:10 GMT -5
I haven't had an opportunity to do an "in depth" investigation of the charges yet. I will, and rest assured, I'll respond no matter what I find. Awesome! I can't wait! Did you watch the videos/read the articles? it is pretty hard to refute what these people said when it is right there on tape!
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Post by TW on Nov 6, 2009 12:13:56 GMT -5
I haven't had time. I'll try to get to it over the weekend. But it will be more than a handful of cut and pastes to do an in depth evaluation.
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Post by packerconvert on Nov 6, 2009 13:58:47 GMT -5
I haven't had time. I'll try to get to it over the weekend. But it will be more than a handful of cut and pastes to do an in depth evaluation. You will be mortified by the quotes. These are words straight fromt he horses mouth whom Obama employes. Remember, the measure of a man's character can be evaluated by the company he keeps. Scary stuff!
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Post by TW on Nov 6, 2009 15:21:37 GMT -5
I'll judge for myself based on a body of evidence, not gleaned pieces of information presented by media sources with an agenda.
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Post by gopackgo2000 on Nov 6, 2009 16:29:53 GMT -5
I'll judge for myself based on a body of evidence, not gleaned pieces of information presented by media sources with an agenda. Good thing almost all of my sources are just that!!!
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Post by TW on Nov 6, 2009 20:10:02 GMT -5
Van Jones.... Read this... www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/08/glenn-beck/glenn-beck-says-van-jones-avowed-communist/ You will like this. The article says that he was but isn't a communist anymore, however if you look at what they point to as evidence it is obvious to me that he never distanced himself from Communisim rather "Changed tactics" to be more effective...While he was doing all of this tactic changing Valerie Jarrod was liking what she saw... www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud_yNFnfrSI She referances his activism in Oakland...They knew exactly who he was and they wanted him in the white house! Mark Llyod..."Diversity Chief" Idolizes Chavez.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9ffAP5ixhg&feature=PlayList&p=281C4413618F67AD&index=66 What is really funny is that he talks about open dialogue and how it is needed, yet he says the science is settled about global warming...He isn't talking about dialogue, he is talking about telling people what to think and what to believe...state run media...it is what Chavez does and it is what he wants... Ron Bloom the manufacturing czar in his own words does not believe in America's free market system and "mostly" agrees with communist Chairman Mao... www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm-Fx5jTbPEAnita Dunn The White House Communication Director...one of her two favorite political philosophers is Mao... www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qDsrfy-ZvgCass Sustein is another cook welcomed by this White House. He does not believe in the second amendment in principal and he believes in animal's rights to an attourney. And what is with this guy that the White House appointed as the "Safe Schools Czar" Kevin Jennings...seriously??? Listen to him...in his own words... www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tp-wL8KTQs&feature=related Yes I understand that Van Jones and Kevin Jennings are not in the WHite House anymore, but that is only because of the whistle blowers. Obama and his people know exactly who all of these people are and they welcome them in. These are just a few I am sure. There is too much of this to be happen stance! #1: You're putting that up as Jones being a communist? He says he flirted with it, and was involved in peaceful aspects of the theories of communism, but he also stated he moved away from it because he saw that the way for a minority to reach goals was not through a collective, but through the business world, using entrepeneurial skills to get there. Obviously his "agenda" is to improve the lot of minorities, but his belief is that you do it through free enterprise.
Jarrod's statements relating to Jones being brought in dealt with what he has been doing from the perspective of getting minorities into businesses, not as a "communist," as you've alluded to so poorly. You get a big fat zero for this one. You didn't even bother to read the report you posted.
Now let's blow this BS about Mark Lloyd out of the water. We'll start by saying that the right-wing goons have lied through their teeth in dealing with this. They've alluded to Lloyd having a position of great authority, and if they're that stupid to believe it's true, they really are fools, as well as liars. As for what Lloyd said about Chavez, it doesn't even resemble the bits and pieces of crap that the right wing goons are selling as facts.
Since you used a right-wing monger's blog, I'll just offer one fr from the left. Most people to the left are laughing at this Beck BS and their conspiracy theories. Believing the Beck rhetoric makes a person a fool. He's never considered the truth essential.
www.publicknowledge.org/node/2632
Incredible! You really believe that what Ron Bloom said was praising Mao? He stated that he agreed with the premise that Mao had that political power came from the point of a gun.
Excuse me while I laugh. That's the same thing that Reagan said. He indicated that you had to have a bigger gun than the next guy to get your political beliefs across. So, you'd indict all Republicans?
I'm sorry! This is totally absurd. I don't even want to continue with this to be honest. I've never seen this much bull crap stacked up by hate mongers before, and to think someone is actually buying into these theories.
Now, tell me the truth. You did this as a joke, didn't you? You know that it's all a bunch of crap, and just wanted to see if I'd spend some time looking for answers.
Thanks anyway. Give me something that's real if you want me to play. Not this crap!
As for the rest, indicting someone because they think Mao was a great philosopher... are you kidding? He's quoted, and some of his theories are present in everything. M-A-O is not a four letter word that should be stricken from the dictionary.
I'm not going any further. I'm wasting my time. Thanks!
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Post by townhalleditor on Nov 7, 2009 0:03:38 GMT -5
This country is in a world of hurt and if it is to survive, it is time for all Americans to roll up their shirt sleeves, get out of their homes and start working to rebuild this nation.
People like Beck, O'Reilly and Limbaugh take fragments of truth and try to package the "little truths" as a larger truth to split and divide this nation.
If you follow Beck, he specifically asks his viewer to choose which revolutionaries you stand with?
This is shameful in my opinion.
Obama has only been in office for a little over 8 months. Let's give the man time and a chance to right the ills instead of acting like selfish, impatient aristocrats who think the black man should be serving them tea by 5.
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Post by gopackgo2000 on Nov 9, 2009 17:54:44 GMT -5
This country is in a world of hurt and if it is to survive, it is time for all Americans to roll up their shirt sleeves, get out of their homes and start working to rebuild this nation. People like Beck, O'Reilly and Limbaugh take fragments of truth and try to package the "little truths" as a larger truth to split and divide this nation. If you follow Beck, he specifically asks his viewer to choose which revolutionaries you stand with? This is shameful in my opinion. Obama has only been in office for a little over 8 months. Let's give the man time and a chance to right the ills instead of acting like selfish, [glow=red,2,300] impatient aristocrats who think the black man should be serving them tea by 5[/glow]. It is always lovely having someone labling you a racist when you are the furtherest from it. Those that think this is about black and white are ignorant!!!
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Post by TW on Nov 9, 2009 18:41:38 GMT -5
You're not a racist, and I don't think that was his intent. But Beck & Limbaugh are hate-mongers, so being racist wouldn't be a reach.
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Post by gopackgo2000 on Nov 10, 2009 10:53:12 GMT -5
You're not a racist, and I don't think that was his intent. But Beck & Limbaugh are hate-mongers, so being racist wouldn't be a reach. Let me offer this TW; Perhaps I read into some of the theroies too much...but also in the same way perhaps you dismiss them all too easily. I read your liberal bolg and it was a much different take on things, however this obsession with diversity and MAKING things come out fair is crazy. I agree that the opportunity to earn should be fair, but these people strive for equal results...that is just wrong!! As far as Mao...he was evil! For anyone to look up to him as a great political philosopher is to endorse him. I assume you had nothing to come back against that so you just got angry and stopped...that's fine. I suppose you and I are more similar than different ultimately...you lean one way I lean another, but we stand in a similar place. I am not sure what getting upset is really going ot do? I am not upset, I am concerned...and I asked you about these people and their comments because I respect you and I know you bring a different perspective but from a similar place. I didn't quote any conservative blogs yet your only rebutal was a liberal one...Infact the Van Jones article was a defense of him...I just happened ot see holes in the defense. Van Jones did call himself a Communist. He did later say that he changed tactics, but he never refuted communisim or said that he made a mistake by considering himself a communist. No he changed tactics...That is a lot different from turning from your ways and changing...He wants to stick it to the white man. He believe that whites poisoned blacks on purpose and now he wants social justice. www.youtube.com/watch?v=XasAgd9-rxIAs far as Bloom goes...He believe's the free market is a joke...a joke? Do you? I don't! I think that the government tampered with quasi-free market we have now is begining to become a joke, but not a true free market!
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